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<0> pcfirewalls are sweet
<1> |pit microtik's got some nice stuff.
<1> But m0n0 is really built for like 3 platforms.
<0> hah
<0> a firewall is really fairly basic
<1> Holy ****, google loads INSTANTLy.
<1> I can't even tell the page refreshed!
<0> just depends on how it processes network traffic and does layer 3 routing
<0> lol _PhAnTaSm you're like a lil kid
<1> hehe, I'm going from POS netgears and dlinks etc to a 10 year old PC that kicks their ***.
<1> Speed testin.
<1> Your download speed : 4197 kbps or 524.7 KB/sec.
<1> Your upload speed : 357 kbps or 44.6 KB/sec.
<1> Decent.
<2> _TaSm, what was that matrix ascii page again?
<1> Not sure.
<2> anyone know?
<1> Here is one http://abstract.cs.washington.edu/~renacer/ascii-matrix.html
<2> thx
<3> jesus
<4> Ok now I've got a static lease.
<4> Now just to figure out how to route a port to me.
<2> w00t
<2> 3 hours no errors
<2> it must work
<4> I imagine I want to setup a static route?
<2> eh?
<4> Need to forward a port to my natted addr.
<1> Ah easy, just click "NAT" hah
<1> Man its so easy I'm not used to this.
<2> haha
<2> yeah
<2> bsd wrapped in love
<1> Totally.
<1> Its grrrrreat.
<1> This might make me change from linux ;)
<1> Though they are pretty damn simular.
<3> bsd is always wrapped in wuv
<5> anyone up for giving me some feedback one this new layout? http://linkleaf.com/index.php?folder=3988
<2> yeah, but that's wrapped in instant router love
<3> shower, brb
<1> Hows that traffic shaper work dravine?
<2> never used it
<1> wherd.
<2> all the stuff we do is wifi hosted on a dsl line for hotel guests
<1> *nod*
<6> examance1, i have always been a big fax of getting the linkks actually up their in the header. If you took the left hand column and moved those links up to under the "linkleaf" text on the top right, you would buy yourself a heap of space on the page itself
<5> Ricco: thats not a bad idea, but with the dynamic nature of the navigation items the number of navigation items can quickly get to large to fit into the header
<5> if you log in and start creating lots of folders you'd see what i mean
<6> examance1, not if yoou group into tree type structures, and have a max of 7 items at any level
<1> Collisions 267
<1> Wonder why I'm getting those on the WAN.
<6> examance1, the human minds works well with decisions of 7 anyway, so not set of choices should really be more than 7 any way
<6> examance1, BTW, that is why there are 7 wonders of the world, and 7 digits in a telephone number. :)
<5> heh
<5> yeah
<6> examance1, so you could fit those 7 top level links in the top right of the header, and then your page doesn't have to be 2 columns, but can display the content you want by itself
<5> yeah, but the top level links are going to change depending on the context
<6> examance1, but yours looks like many of the good sites out there, there is nothing wrong with it
<5> and if the current folder has more than 7 siblings, how am i supposed to decide which ones to display?
<5> i shouldn't arbitrarily limit the user to 7 subfolders
<6> examance1, yeap, i understand, they can be dynamic... and if it is a long lst you can display it on a page
<5> and once you log in there are several additional navigation items that populate to allow the user to control the current folder and some additional navigation aides
<6> examance1, i am not saying limit it to seven, I am just saying if they are menu items you probebly don't want 43 items, ir it really belongs on a choice page, so if they are limited navigational items they can fit right in the headeer
<6> examance1, ok, i understand. i have seen pages like you are doing in many places, it is a accepted pattern. nothing wrong with it
<6> examance1, i personally like to have everything on a page beliew my header be the display oof the single thing I want them too read. and I try to put all the controls in the headers
<6> examance1, almost like the menu bar on windows apps... you know file, edit, view... all at the top, and the main page content is the word document or the spread sheet :)
<5> i still haven't pegged down the UI and navigation at all... as it grows its going to have to change
<5> the way i have it set up now is far from perfect
<6> examance1, ik thik it is well worth the time to think out the UI. it will give you lots of rewards in the future
<5> good thing the display logic is pretty seperated from the core logic so changes should be easy
<6> examance1 ;)
<5> i don't want to overthink it yet. i don't have a full comprehension of the site needs at this point
<6> examance1, the heder looks very nice. nice effect on that leaf
<5> thanks
<5> first project i've worked on in a while that i'll actually have a use for
<6> examance1, here is a interface that have worked for me; http://webulite.com
<5> i guess the reason i've stayed away from dropped down menus is compatability... my site is pure xhtml/css
<6> that is a CSS page
<5> javascript is fine for 90%+ of users, but not everyone
<1> Ok so I've got everything setup minus the printer.
<6> the menus can be built dyanically
<5> yeah, but the menus are JS
<1> Once thats done, I'll be good to go.
<6> examance1, true
<5> theoretically my site should show up decently in lynx, a psp, or a cellphone
<6> examance1, i have always thaought that building an interface that has menu at the top, and perhaps even folder icons on the left and content on the right... like the windows OS itself... can allow you to take advantage of lots of training and education money that MS is spending, and users get something they already know how to use
<5> i say theoretically, cause really i have no idea
<6> examance1, people see the page, and know how to work it, cause it looks like alll the other MS pages they have worked
<5> there isn't much complexity to my UI. i'm pretty confident that the target user (Power users switching from PC to PC and want a central place to store and share bookmarks) can make the leap
<6> examance1, probably :)
<5> plus i maintain portability for the odd PSP or blind user or whatever
<6> examance1, yes... very nice
<5> though i do like top down menus better
<5> i just don't know how to do them without js or flash
<5> or some IE-centric DHTML tric
<5> *trick
<6> examance1, perhaps the can be done with some implementation of a style sheet
<2> yeah
<2> it can be
<2> and a little easy js
<6> examance1, dealing with each pulldown almost like a photoshop lawyer
<2> onmousover="setthedivvisablestat()"
<6> that is what I use
<2> I just install phpmenulayers and be done with it
<2> and no, that doesn't mean I'll answer any questions about phpmenulayers
<5> lol
<5> the switching of visibility states with a little bit of javascript could still pose an accessability problem for certain users
<2> nah
<2> not if you just toggle the status of the div
<2> if they are using a screen reader, it'll just layout as normal text
<7> I installed web-cyradm and everything looks fine but at my apache error_log Im getting lots of messages like this: PHP Notice: Undefined index: LANG in /web/htdocs/web-cyradm/index.php what could be the cause?
<2> how it would if you disabled the css file entirely
<5> hmm
<2> apocn, read the rules
<2> in /topic
<2> #3
<7> #php No topic is set.
<2> Read the rules or die :: http://php.php-undernet.org/rules.php
<6> apocn, what he is trying to say in the very terse IRC speak is that the channel doesn't help with that stuff
<7> ok, I just want to know what an "Undefined index" is.
<0> apocn .. crappy php coding
<0> apocn don't worry about it.. the variable was used against a value when the variable didn't exist to begin with
<6> apocn, so just eliminate or rewrite the crappy stuff and it will be fine
<2> that's doubtful
<7> ok
<2> work? maybe
<0> Ricco apocn turn notice off in the error reporting
<2> be crappy?
<2> probably
<7> |ww: ok
<7> thanks to all
<2> just use NONE
<2> much quieter that way
<0> mm time for a pastery and another vodka and cran :P
<2> man, jews are crazy to not eat pork
<2> this porkchop would break a mans faith I suspect
<0> no kidding... i love my half pound of bacon every morning!
<6> i will not live in a world without bacon
<2> I wouldn't take over a world without bacon
<2> and that's a fact
<6> i wonder if jews and muslims are reallly trying too mmislead the world...
<6> and they have basements fillled with pigs
<6> and are trying to get others not to eat pigs so they can have all the pigs for themselves
<2> the bastards!
<6> did they kill kenny?
<0> Yes. the jews killed kenny.
<6> the bastards!
<8> Hi, anybody can help me with cookie?
<2> oreo or chocolate chip?
<2> and do you have any milk?
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