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<0> wtf does it have?
<0> what can possibly take 10G?
<1> suse 10 is 8gbs and you get all the **** you need
<2> i'll SS it moment
<0> that's called BLOAT.
<3> ubuntu is a cd s worth and totally usable out of the box
<1> yeah
<0> you can get a 30M debian netinst iso and install only what you need.
<0> ha. beat that :P
<1> DOS on a floppy :p
<3> psp linux under 750k?
<4> lol
<4> Ophiocus: Windows Vista is the OS that can and will kick linux ***
<3> LOL
<3> you made my day
<4> you ppl should get documented about what you're talking and stop loving linux so much
<4> at least be objective
<4> wanna know why?
<2> well if i could find a way to upload with this stupid thing..
<5> i <3 linux
<3> am runnign windows right now cause i have to cause i ned to do serious flash dev, am beeing objective
<4> because in windows vista there won't be any overflows!
<3> i hate this ****
<4> that's why it's working so slow
<4> get a real computer to run it
<3> you kidding me? producti0on level releases get blue screens
<4> it's a beta
<1> p4 3.8ghz, 1.5gig ram, nvidia 6600 gt oc <-- that's not a real pc?
<5> beta is the new black
<4> I guess not
<1> lol come on
<1> most people have less specs than that
<4> it's api is way superior to what any version of linux provided untill now
<3> 90% of actual world population has less specs than that
<5> i wasnt even aware they were up to '3.8'
<3> overclocked
<2> called overclocking with asus AI
<4> Ophiocus: for now it's not for that percentage of the population
<5> ahh
<1> and i'd rather get a blue screen once in a while than have it clog 10gb of my hdd and work slow
<4> should the technology stop evolving because ppl can't afford a real computer?
<5> i use both, i multitask
<3> 600mhz rise with memory parity set to 2.0 and multiplier untouched am ready to bet on that
<2> Asus AI rocks, all you do is say how high you want to OC and it does all the voltages/timings for you
<3> sk8ing the market has spoken, windows is losing ground faster than they d admit
<4> Ophiocus: we'll see about that
<3> and suns looking gl*** is almost ready too
<4> if you would own e-bay, would you use linux cuz, it's neat and asks for lower resources or would you use an OS that doesn't permits overflows? (the bug that exploits are using)
<4> ?
<1> sk8ing don't get me wrong, i use windows more than linux and like it more. but if Vista's gonna need a monster of a PC to run, and it runs badly, no one's gonna upgrade
<4> eh?
<2> http://www.bearcavecc.com/vista.png
<4> I won't upgrade eather, for now
<2> c: is vista drive, d: is winxp drive
<4> but when I'll have the money for a better comp I will
<1> it's not a question of making it un-crashable sk8ing
<2> thats with NOTHING installed But windows on it
<1> what about efficiency and speed? those are very important in an OS
<4> killfr: when you're dealing with billions of dollars? :)
<2> vista is bloated, horribly
<4> I don't think you care that much about efficency on a desktop pc :)
<6> Papabear 6gb isnt bad for what vista offers in all honesty, people said xp was bloated because omg it took up 3gb!! oh noes!! its a code revamp
<2> thats 6gigs free of 16gigs total
<4> PapaBear: so what?
<4> ms-dos was using 6mb
<4> wow!!!
<6> doh =P thats bollocks ive installed vista many times it doesnt take 10gb you installed something else, aka your DX9 games
<4> what's with this OSes this days???
<4> so big!!!
<6> 10gb is really nothing though
<3> i see no proporcional return on the agravations of this vista upgrade, besides looking cool on the icons front
<1> PapaBear im finding it strange, 10gb install from a 2.8Gb dvd..
<2> look at xp, it was a single cd, and expanded to what 3gigs?
<6> were in a day in age where they dont have to push down file sizes because people can download these huge files easily and quickly with the technology we have today, if you want small go back to win3.1 and quit bitching =D
<6> it expanded to 3gb because it copied the system files 3 times
<6> so it really only takes a gig
<4> Ophiocus: than don't use it, but stop cirticizing something as unfair as you did, as everybody did, windows vista is something that the IT field never saw before
<4> and linux will have a lot to work to get on the same level
<6> sk8ing couldnt have said it better
<6> =)
<6> afk
<1> we'll see about that
<1> personally i don't see it as such a huge improvement
<4> heh
<4> I do
<1> same old filesystem..
<3> they ve seen it all before, its already got security flaws and exploits besides buffer underuns and ****
<1> fancy graphics that require a dx9 card.. not my idea of an OS for everyone
<4> killfr: to understand what is the big improvement: 11 == 3 in windows vista 11 is binary 3 is decimal or base 4 and it's not equal to 11
<4> so a bunch of text
<4> will never be interpreted as a piece of code
<3> IT will love to invest in graphics cards to get packetflow graph, bet on that
<2> vista gives my computer a rating of 2 :)
<4> this is called a type-safe system
<1> explain that again sk8ing
<2> erp 3
<4> k... here's how an exploit works
<3> killfr the dcc send joke running around is an exploit based on that
<4> char x[3];
<4> scanf("%s", x);
<4> now
<4> if I write more than 3 chars
<4> I'll create a buffer overflow
<4> and the code after the x will get overwritten
<2> strange, the forceware driver detects dx as 8.1
<4> if I write more and I'll over write the call to scanf()
<4> and _after_ scanf
<4> the piece of code that I wrote from the input
<4> will be executed when scanf returns
<4> this means
<4> that all those chars
<4> will be interpreted as CPU opcodes
<4> this will never happen in windows vista, because it's a type-safe system
<3> i ll say a commercial os is secure when i cant warez it
<4> that makes a difference between 'a' and 43
<3> period
<3> :)
<4> or what ever ascii code is 'a'
<4> heh :)
<1> so vista handles everything in binary
<1> ?
<4> I don't think they don't want you to warez it :)
<4> killfr: no
<4> 11 != 3
<4> it handles it as it is defined
<4> if I define a string
<4> it will be used as a string
<4> never as something else
<4> do you still think windows vista doesn't look like a big improvement? :)
<2> windows xp works better (at this stage of vista)
<2> like i just hit refreash my performance rating, and got blue screen :)
<1> sk8ing give me some article to read :p
<4> of course, it's a stable and old OS
<0> I don't think vista will be much of a breakthrough.
<4> killfr: do a google for WinFX is the new api
<4> win32 will be covered too
<2> MacOSX was a breakthrough
<2> vista is a polished up xp
<4> PapaBear: right...
<3> spit polished at that
<2> true they changed some bits of the core... but hell when you right click on the task bar and hit properties, they still have the exact same menu image as on xp :D
<0> sk8ing: wait till it hits some production environments.
<4> madbovine: heh, managed code is already in production
<4> since years ago
<4> windows vista will just make it run better
<3> i am almost convinced the simple fact of its heavy graphical dependency coupled with totally diferent graphics chip architectures is ganna cause issues
<4> big companies are using it
<0> It's a microsoft product. It will have issues.
<2> a linux/unix distro with a gui (gnome, ice, kde, ect..) runs great faster then vista ever will
<4> PapaBear: haven't you seen what I wrote?
<2> sk8ing, somewhat, all i see is some MS butt kissing ;)
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