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<0> well, i say "long time." i used it for about 6 months
<1> to make them public do i declare them as public var $variable;
<2> oh, you do use it in linux?
<0> yup
<3> rdw gimme a link to your install distro am only getting punchlines about notepad beeing a sccoter and eclipse a dodge viper
<2> what distro?
<3> Ang3lu5, i already gave you a very elegant answer to that question,..
<0> dravine: fedora core 4 on one box and Solaris 10 Unix on another box
<2> haha
<2> eclipse isn't a dodge viper
<2> more like mac truck
<4> rdw: how do you like Solaris?
<3> lol
<0> kaneda_: i really like it
<2> shared mem around 300mb and 133Mb resident
<0> kaneda_: seems to perform very well even on a modest system
<0> kaneda_: for a while I ran a php/postgres server on it and also ran it on my laptop as a dev box. both AMD 32 bit machines
<4> rdw: sounds quality. Does it differ greatly from Linux?
<4> I mean, Unix is Unix, but, not.
<0> kaneda_: yes, there a few distinct differences that tripped me up coming from a linux background
<0> for example, you don't get _any_ gnu tools, so compiling PHP requires downloading all the relevant gnu libraries
<1> Ophiocus where ?
<4> Ouch!
<4> I was under the impression that Solaris was proprietary and cost money.
<2> I'm not a big solaris fan
<3> Ophiocus in a cl*** $this->varname is best if you want that variable to be accesible outside the cl*** with $instanceOfCl***->varname
<2> had to use it in the army
<0> kaneda_: version 10 was the first free solaris
<3> 0.3 seconds of scrolling
<0> 9 cost mucho deniro
<4> GOod to know.
<2> the zero gnu tools is really hard to get used to
<0> dravine: *nod* first thing I did was add gnu like a mofo
<0> can't compile much of any open source software without it
<4> But, if I put all the necessary GNU utilities, then I'd be set.
<2> I wasn't able to
<2> army owned the box, I just had to work with it
<2> cde is fugly as hell
<0> kaneda_: yep. solaris has a really nice package system so adding the gnu tools is a breeze once you realize that's the issue ;)
<0> dravine: yeah, i'll give you that. CDE ****s ballz. I used Gnome and x.org ;)
<4> rdw: how's the package system compare to Debian apt, or FreeBSD's ports?
<0> on the lappy. the server of course had no gui
<0> kaneda_: it's just as easy, but there are far fewer packages available on solaris.
<4> figures.
<4> It sounds like I might have to drop Solaris on a spare box and mess around.
<0> kaneda_: yep, i'd recommend giving it a shot. it's kind of cool because it's more like true unix (like Compaq tru 64 unix or HP UX) rather than linux
<3> rdw what are you usung now?
<3> using?
<0> i used it just because it was free and I'd never tried solaris. I didn't have a specific reason to need it or anything
<0> Ophiocus: i use fedora core 4 now
<3> ah
<4> That's why I'd try it. Just to say I'd used it.
<0> Ophiocus: not because there was any problem with S10, I just got bored and wanted to try something new ;)
<3> heh ok
<0> I'll probably try ubuntu or something next time i get bored
<0> kaneda_: *nod* i think you'd get a kick out of it
<4> rdw: ubuntu is, to quote the vernacular, "da ****"
<0> nice
<5> how does one make a new page on a wiki?
<1> to have an array of objects can i just declare an array and start putting objects into it or do i have to declare an array of the type of cl*** the object is from ?
<4> If you want a desktop distro, that is.
<5> I want to make one on the audacity wiki as a list of users that have suffered one of its common crashes and will never trust it again.
<0> kaneda_: yeah, i like to use linux on my lappy just because it's too slow to run win xp
<3> Ang3lu5, php is loosely typed
<2> I love ubuntu
<2> it just works
<3> its my first go at linux and so far so good, i even managed to have photoshop running
<0> kaneda_: i really wish I had gotten into the stuff that really makes S10 worth having, such as D-trace and the predictive self healing. I hear those are bad***, but I couldn't find enough documentation to teach me how to use those
<3> heh and i think i just solved some fonts issue
<0> when some conclusive S10 books hit the market, i may install it again and try to figure out the self healing ****. also, the containers are cool. much more advanced than BSD's jails.
<2> well about god damn time
<2> it finally installed
<0> are you still whining about eclipse? it's an IDE dude, not notepad with syntax highlighting...
<0> c'mon now
<1> if i am p***ing an RSS feed do i actualy need to keep the tag information for anything ?
<2> I'm just glad it finally installed properly
<2> so I can see if it was worth the effort
<0> ;)
<0> it's so worth it...i'm sporting a chub just thinking about eclipse
<6> Hrm should I go to McD's and get a super healthy breakfast or just go with the coffee here.
<3> freaking hell
<3> just realized am starving
<7> that's what your mom said when she born you. "FREAKING HELL!"
<2> hrm
<2> yeah, eclipse is still the ****
<2> sorry rdw, I vote nogo on it
<0> your loss, man
<3> Lame_nick, nah it was more ho noooo i gave birth to another Lame_nick
<7> do you know her?
<2> I wish anjuta had some good php **** built in
<3> now that you mention it, all i got of her is hearsay
<7> oh
<1> i have another question. does PHP have standard librarys ?
<1> with queues and link lists and stuff ?
<0> dravine: my coworkers couldn't be convinced either. they use the uber-****ty textpad in windows for coding perl. i showed them eclipse and they went back to textpad
<0> hahahaha
<0> no one wants to change when they're used to something
<2> hehe
<2> eclipse still has all the things I hated about it
<3> Ang3lu5, so far none of those questions isnt answered by a 2 minutes php.net search
<2> that's my major issue
<0> dravine: like what?
<2> the view modes thing for one
<2> "perspectives"
<0> right. seems to work good for me
<1> Ophiocus i would have taken less energy to type yes or no than all that
<0> edit php, need to do some SQL just fire up the sql view and go to town
<3> i prevented a future dozen or so yes or no, am ahead of the game boy
<0> is yours broken or something?
<2> I do all my sql work in an sql console
<2> e.g. psql
<2> I don't care for table editor things and **** like that
<0> dravine: hmm...that sounds pretty inneficient for design, but ok.
<2> the less I need to use the mouse, the better
<0> that point aside, why not just put it on the PHP perspective and leave it?
<3> dravine, thats a solid point
<2> why does it seem inneficient?
<2> alter table add column foo text;
<1> Ophiocus i can't find anything about it
<2> is a lot faster than going through some faggy gui to do the same thing
<0> dravine: by "design" I don't mean adding a column to a table...
<2> to design a db layout I grab a pen and a legal pad
<3> put this in google and have fun Ang3lu5 standard libraries site:www.php.net
<0> dravine: when we do database design we use SQL server enterprise manager, that way everyone in the office can access it
<0> if I tried to design our databases with pen and paper, i'd need a big*** piece of paper ;)
<2> if it doesn't fit on a legal pad, I go to the white board
<2> that doesn't happen often though
<3> if you cant fit it on paper in an abstract referencial way your missing some structural issue
<0> Ophiocus: o_O
<0> either that or you design large databases
<3> ok ok am a mom and pops web monkey
<3> hotkarl me now
<0> those don't fit on legal pads or whiteboards ;)
<0> dravine: oh please. there's nothing "visual basic" about that. it's called enterprise level apps
<2> just ****ing with you man
<0> when i'm doing a website, it goes on the whiteboard ;)
<0> yeah, i'm just fueling fire too :D
<2> I remember the **** our school had to run
<2> total piece of ****
<2> tracked everything, crashed all the time
<2> had to run on novell
<0> dravine: what was it?
<2> SDS
<0> *shrug* never heard of it
<2> student data systems or some ****
<0> ahhh
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