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<0> around 60k i think
<1> more than that.
<2> i like to hear about the older machines
<3> and playing lunar lander on the VAX
<1> I don't, unless they're being actively used, like the C64 being used as a web server.
<0> Viking667, lol
<4> http://www.science.uva.nl/museum/flop8.html
<1> phydoxx: and no, I'm not kidding. There really is one.
<5> Redragon^, heh, am there as well :)
<4> still remember the tapping of the 132 char high speed printers ...
<2> C64 was the first pc I ever had
<2> used to load progs with c***ettes
<3> mine was a trs-80
<5> mine was pong
<4> i went to work with my dad during the summer to save money to buy my first ti
<0> Redragon^, thats an interesting link to uva.nl
<4> ah the thrill of using the cartridge to upgrade from 16k to 64k
<1> hrm. THe machine I was using the 8" wasn't a TRS-80, nor an IBM
<3> I never considered pong to be a PC ;b
<4> hehe
<4> http://www.99er.net/ti.shtml
<2> or viewable rather
<6> too late
<6> shouldn't have said anything
<6> mwahahaha
<4> lol
<1> err, it's a graphing calc, right? Like a Casio 9745?
<4> what is Viking667 ?
<1> the TI99/4A
<4> no it was a computer
<4> had basic language for programming and an advanced basic
<1> ohhh.
<4> was 16k and could be expanded to 64k with cartridge or more with the expansion housing and system (128 max i think)
<1> oh.
<4> you could get floppy drive for it (i only had c***ette cable for using a standard c***ette deck)
<1> so what was the Texas Instrument graphing calculator, then?
<4> not sure
<7> Hello
<4> first time i've seen that critter Viking667
<4> hiya Znuffy
<7> 'lo there, Redragon^
<2> www was invented by an english man?
<1> ... sort of, I'm guessing.
<0> he worked for CERT in the suisse, i think
<0> CERN even
<2> ok cool
<2> for some reason I have the idea that the US invented it
<2> have = had
<0> the web came from CERN, invented here by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee
<0> the US military invented the early version of the ARPA net which became later the so called internet
<0> ah, Berners-Lee was born in london
<0> i didnt know that
<0> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/First_Web_Server.jpg
<0> lol
<2> cool
<0> mmm! NextStep was a very intuitive desktop environment
<1> "intuitive"?
<8> I believe he means easy to use, easy to navigate
<8> thats how I would use the word at least
<0> yeah. it was the first software that followed the philosophy to make the environment focus on the users natural behaviour instead of training the users to do synthetic tasks
<8> "Describes "user-friendly" software that instinctively provides options or information the user needs."
<8> I can't find anything that will make my stupid wireless card work
<8> I have a newerish laptop from HP
<8> I'm pretty new to linux
<0> NickGarvey, what linux distribution do you use?
<8> ubuntu is what is currently installed, although I have used SUSE and I am familiar with knoppix and DSL
<4> hmm i need to find something to go take pictures of
<0> NickGarvey, is the card detected successfully?
<0> Redragon^, women. women in a bra, women in a bikini...
<8> when I ran ndiswrapper it did say hardware detected if I recall
<8> I will boot ubuntu right now and set up irc on my other computer
<0> ok
<8> I have tried several online forum discussions but gave up out of many nights of frusteration
<0> i dont have any wireless cards so i might not be able to get you through this
<0> but other people here might
<8> are usernames on irc case sensitive? will Nickgarvey work will NickGarvey is being used?
<9> NickGarvey: I dont think they are no
<9> http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc1459.html , Im sure this can tell though:)
<10> .
<10> do you think there would be an easier distro to use with my difficult wireless card?
<10> some people seemed to get it to work on ubuntu, but it hasn't for me
<9> probably depends mostly on the card in question and the person in question
<0> Nick_Garvey, mandriva linux has a good name when it comes to hardware detection. but when the card is detected it should be a manageable problem to get it working
<10> my card has a broadcom chipset
<0> Nick_Garvey, have you been to the ubuntuforums.org site?
<10> yes
<10> that is where I tried many of the ways others had done it
<10> the light is on my wireless card
<10> that didn't happen before
<10> so that means it's detected I ***ume
<0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=wireless+broadcom
<0> this article should really support you
<10> done it
<10> I get a permission error
<10> I'll do it again so I can tell you what it says
<0> yup
<10> bash: /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5/(various files): Permission denied
<10> theres about 15 of them
<10> the files are like 14e4:4319.5.conf
<10> when I open up the files I find no line with RadioState
<10> also, eth0 is not working for firefox, but apt-get works
<10> not sure why, pinging google.com fails also
<0> Nick_Garvey, do you use sudo?
<10> yes
<10> I didn't get those errors when I sudo su, but something else happened
<10> I rebooted and what was supposed to happen didn't I believe
<10> let me check
<0> check this little info: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch06.html#whatissudo
<10> sudo acts as if you are super user for a single command correct?
<0> this permission error has to do with your sudo config and not with the wireless topic
<10> oh
<10> well it worked with su
<0> so you activated the root account with a p***word?
<10> I used sudo su
<10> promped me for the p***word
<0> yeah, well
<10> when I su it says incorrect p***work
<4> does unbuntu lock root?
<11> yes
<10> not sure, I just got around it with sudo su and stuck with that
<0> you have to add your user to the sudo users and grant permissions
<11> ubuntu should have done that on installation
<10> alright, I will read the article
<0> thats why i posted the link above, cause many users dont know that ubuntu handles super user priviledges different than most distros
<10> thanks, I had no idea
<0> steg, when you enter a p***word for root it needs tweaking
<0> Nick_Garvey, not your fault. they should explain that better during the install process
<10> I wondered why it didn't ask for me to enter root p***word during install like most do
<10> on this step Select your wireless network card (probably wlan0) and hit the properties button.
<10> I can not continue because my wireless card is not under the menu it said it would be
<10> ndiswrapper -l says hardware detected
<12> I'm sorry i was the idiot that was root
<12> i didn't catch your answer
<10> answer?
<13> It is common on #debian to tell people what they need to know, not what they _think_ they want to know
<0> lol LadyByte
<12> yeah i asked how to "unbusy" a partition so i can umount it
<0> ryan_, check with "lsof" for the processes that use the partition and then use "kill" to terminate those
<10> I'd ***ume kill everything that is running off it
<12> thanks
<14> ryan: lsof
<12> something like "lsof /dev/hda3"?
<14> Mount point rather than device
<0> ryan_, lsof | grep ...
<14> lsof /home
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