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<0> whoops, I got mail
<1> oh, a bit larger than the 9 if firewall i had to swap nics and ips on today
<0> dammit not the mail I was expecting
<1> i wish i could get those old tulip quad-port nics working i git out of it, will save me another pci slot in my home box
<0> tojoe, whats the prob?
<1> sirmaxxz under 2.4.31 it doesnt link up anymore if it looses link after initialization - needs a reboot to get a link again
<0> hmm using tulip or de4x5 driver?
<1> so i'm compiling 2.6.16.1 on my testbox to see if that's a diver issue which got fixed or not
<1> tulip
<1> chips are 21143
<0> I'm still connected to work, let me check what my box is using, I know we have quad somewhere
<1> wonder how well the sundance/alta based dlink nics we put in now will work, damn intels are so f'n expensive
<0> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)
<0> 03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)
<0> 03:02.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)
<0> 03:03.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41)
<0> using with de4x5 driver
<2> But they work!
<0> and heavily propietary 2.4.9 kernel
<0> heavily patched
<1> i'll try that as soon as the compile is finished, only got a celery 800 in my testbox
<0> ok 10more min and I'm calling the states again
<3> how nice, your gonna call me....
<0> Redragon^, if you can help, sure!
<3> i've got so many problems the only thing i'd help do is increase your current stress level
<0> I'm waiting for official statement from the vendor we're having issues with
<0> ok the guy read my mind
<0> with 5min to spare
<0> yikes
<4> Since I can't reboot my linux system I would like to know if it's possible to init 1 and make the system return to runlevel 2 without pressing ctrl-d !?
<5> Waxhead: umm, while in runlevel1 you can "init 2"
<0> init 1 is no network I think he is trying to do this remote
<4> Well I'm talking about from a telnet session :P
<4> Bingo ;)
<5> ah, you can't do that via telnet. You'd need a remote serial console I guess
<6> Any particular you need to use init to bring up your system? If you're already in, why not start the daemons you want starting manually ?
<4> not even if I su to root ?
<5> you have to be root in runlevel1, there's no other way to get in
<5> why do you need to init 1 at all?
<4> Well I'm new to linux and "replacing" my non-functional reboot the closest thing I can figure out is init 1 and init 2 again
<5> now I'm confused. What exactly is happeneing?
<4> Well I asked here earlier for reasons why a reboot would just display a black screen after the kernel message "Rebooting..." . I can't reboot that's my "problem"
<5> ah, I seem to remember you asking that a day or two ago
<7> I think it's the BIOS failing to actulaly reboot.
<5> and I said then (as I still say) that it's either a bios problem or a kernel issue
<7> but that's just a guess
<4> I think it's some acpi related stuff but have no idea why...
<5> Viking667: yeah, that's my guess too
<0> yeah we have similar problem on a few dec5000 systems here
<4> I'm running debian 3.1 on a old AMD k6 cpu and I've tried with a 386 kernel but that didn't hlp either...
<0> pretty annoying
<5> Waxhead: if I had to place money, I'd say it was a broke bios...
<4> Understood but running knoppix from a cd will restart the system
<5> Waxhead: try booting with noacpi and see if that helps (might be acpi=no, I don't recall the exact boot param needed)
<5> it won't boot at all?
<4> boot is no problem but REboot is
<5> that's a different problem from "It won't reboot"
<5> so why do you need to run knoppix from a CD? Why not just toggle power?
<4> I ran knoppix to verify that my bios wasn't broken
<0> smsie, the point is, there is a remote system that wont reboot
<1> sirmaxxz seems de4x5 works as well as tulip in 2.6.16.1, just that tulip supports the mii-* tools and de4x5 doesnt
<4> sirmaxxz yes! I hate the idea to run away to hit the reset button
<5> sirmaxxz: so how is he managing to put a knoppix cd in?
<0> smsie, knoppix was just a test to see if its a kernel issue or something
<5> oh, I see
<5> and if you boot knoppix, it WILL reboot?
<4> yep
<4> running reboot form a shell restarts the computer
<5> okay.
<0> compare the dmesg from knoppix and your normal kernel
<0> see what they could be doing different
<0> probably a kernel thing then
<4> is there any "brutal" way of rebooting linux !?
<0> reboot is it
<8> Waxhead: yes
<0> short of powercycling
<5> you can execute some raw code that tells the bios to reset
<5> that's pretty drastic though
<0> smsie, hmm .. got any info on that?
<4> hmmmm I know some C perhaps I can do something fun !? :D
<5> sirmaxxz: the last time we needed it, steg hacked something together in a hex editor.
<0> Waxhead, or get a powerblock you can cycle via IP :)
<4> hehe np I have a own built relay box :)
<7> ahhh. Call INT 13 (format drive) on the drive...
<4> well are there any commands I can run to check acpi status or something !?
<4> Hey I think I've spotted my reboot problem!!!!!
<4> in /sbin/ I can se the following line reboot -> halt!
<4> I guess this is a link to another command right ?
<5> Waxhead: that's normal
<4> is it ?... hmmm k
<5> Waxhead: it's actually thesame program, it behaves differently depending on the command used to call it
<4> ah so it's just a alias then...
<5> Waxhead: similar to how bash behaves differently if you call it as sh
<5> sort of
<5> look at /bin/sh, it's usually a link to bash
<4> yupp!
<5> but if you run /bin/sh, it looks (and acts) quite a bit differently
<4> oh yeah... what exactly is this sh... another shell ?
<7> It's the .... predecessor to bash and about a zillion other shells. Otherwise known as "Bourne Shell", or simply sh
<3> bash is bourne again shell
<3> for backward compatibility they linked /bin/sh to /bin/bash
<0> and soon we'll have gits
<3> because so many folk has #!/bin/sh
<5> no linux systemn actually *has* a sh. There are lots of shells that can act as sh though (it's almost always a symlink to some other shell)
<5> Redragon^: not just that. POSIX mandates the behaviour of /bin/sh.
<7> smsie: the closest to sh I've seen would probably be ash. But even THAT'S apparently a little different.
<7> I'd love to se the sourcecode to the real sh.
<5> Viking667: yep. If invoked as sh though, it's *supposed* to behave like sh. If it doesn't that's a bug
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