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<0> mwilson, I asked for help not for corrections ..
<1> steg : OO <-> MS, sometimes don't make the transformation... like when you mail your boss an important word/exec and his reply is "WTF am i looking at?"
<2> that's always a fun one.
<0> mwilson, if you do not like my style please ignore it ..
<3> on ubuntu what is prog to configure monitor settings?
<4> gunstar: Ahh. The notorious gotse() method.
<4> err, goatse()
<2> thats' a function now?
<5> haha
<6> dtopala: Looking like an idiot isn't how to get people to help you.
<2> gotta get with the program about programming these days.
<7> Hello, does anybody knows a soft for limiting the eth0 speed?
<8> mii tools ?
<2> AKQJ10: use traffic control. iproute2
<7> bronaugh, ok, thanks
<7> hey bronaught, to use iproute2, i should be the lan's internet server?
<2> uhh
<2> you need to figure that out for yourself.
<9> my internet is horrible
<3> is it a bad thing to run mIRC client using wine on linux?
<10> crazy|one: it is more lunatic than bad.
<3> lol why?
<4> crazy|one: why not just run a native linux client?
<11> Crazy|One: try irssi
<11> =D
<4> or if you're a fan of GUIs, heard xchat isn't bad
<12> I am very used o mIRC have tried bitchx, xchat, irssi
<12> prefer mIRC :)
<11> Crazy|One: you were once used to windows
<11> =P
<11> the trend applies to irc clients too
<11> you'll adapt
<4> well, whatever you prefer, but it's a sort of round-about thing to do
<11> there are equal if not better clients out there
<11> bersirc is quite similar to mirc
<11> you could try that
<11> you need to compile it however
<11> unless someone has been groovy enough to package it
<12> will do
<12> also there any flight simulators similar to that of Microsoft Flight Sim 2004?
<11> it's always a good idea to have a terminal client installed though
<12> dood why?
<11> well, if you're new and break X for example, you might want a client that doesn't need a gui
<11> =P
<11> or if you need to install something and X can't be running
<11> xchat is probably the most popular gui client for *nix
<12> ok
<11> i think it's an ugly app myself
<12> thanks for the info
<11> np
<11> how long you been on linux for?
<4> irssi is highly nice once you get used to it
<12> dood 2 weeks
<11> yeah like steg said: irssi is very good
<11> gets my vote
<11> irssi for pm
<5> word
<12> are there any good ebooks to learn linux?
<12> free ones I can download
<11> a good book (but not free) is "the linux bible" by christopher negus
<12> Im just looking for one, which can help me learn more into depth of ubuntu
<11> well ubuntu is basically debian
<6> dood: Since when?
<11> since inception
<11> built on deb
<11> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
<11> "Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process."
<6> Yes, that's Ubuntu's take on the relationship.
<11> thanks for the extra clarity
<6> As long as packages aren't interchangeable, Ubuntu isn't "basically" anything but Ubuntu.
<11> that doesn't invalidate the fact it is basically debian at heart
<11> especially when the official stance is: "Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is built"."
<6> Ubuntu can take whatever stance they want. Make that claim to a bunch of Debian developers and see how fast your head is handed to you.
<3> thanks for the info guys
<11> no worries
<11> so if i took deb and made my own repositories and release structure, i couldn't claim to be deb at heart?
<6> You can claim whatever you like. It wouldn't be true, but you can claim whatever you like.
<11> so by that rationale, no distro can be debian based?
<13> Grub's documentation for the installation states that you must first specify the root device. I did this "grub> root /dev/hda" and got Error 11: Unrecognized device string
<6> Like Ubuntu claiming they give back to Debian.
<5> i just made a distro
<5> well, no, i just thought of it
<6> "Debian-based" != "Debian at heart"
<5> it's called Trendy Distro v1.0
<11> i only claim that ubuntu is basically debian albeit with a separate repos and release structure
<5> it will join the ranks of millions of other pipe dreams
<6> And different packages.
<11> that would be the repos
<14> hummm.... wonder if I have linux on the 40g...
<4> duplex: I think grub has its own device naming conventions
<6> Ubuntu is no more Debian than Knoppix is.
<13> steg: Ah.
<4> duplex: you'll need to check the docs to see how they map to linux's
<11> i understand where you are coming from though: if the packages are separate, they can't be as one
<6> I never once said "separate". I said "different".
<11> oh jesus
<11> nit picking is pointless
<13> Stealth^: Okay thanks.
<13> Eh, that was to steg.
<11> separate or different, it doesn't matter
<6> Of course it matters.
<6> If I take a Debian package, and put it in a "separate" repository, it's still a Debian package.
<11> the ubuntu and debian repositories are still separate
<11> by definition
<6> If I take that package, and recompile it with a different toolchain, with different libraries as dependencies, with different, Ubuntu-specific patches, it is not a Debian package.
<11> are you going to argue that they are not separate?
<6> I didn't argue for or against the idea of "separate". You keep saying "separate", not me.
<11> why even bother to bring that up?
<11> =/
<6> I don't know. Why did you?
<11> 03:51 < mwilson> I never once said "separate". I said "different".
<11> you had a problem with it, not me
<6> You asked why I brought it up. I didn't. You did.
<4> dood: it's because, while true, it is irrelevant
<6> [19:50] <11> i understand where you are coming from though: if the packages
<6> are separate, they can't be as one
<6> [19:51] <6> I never once said "separate". I said "different".
<11> yeah and it bothered you that much that you just had to mention you never used the exact word
<4> dood: We are technical people. To technical people, accuracy, when talking about technical matters, is important.
<11> as if it was even important to the debate
<4> dood: If you don't keep things accurate, misunderstandings occur and often propogate
<4> dood: People really don't mean it personally
<6> dood: The difference in the packages matters. Where they might be stored, does not.
<14> mwilson TOTALY means it personaly
<11> ok, but *technically*, the statement is still true
<11> unless the repositories are not separate?
<4> you are clutching at straws in order to attempt to appear correct.
<4> You didn't say what you meant. The fact they are seperate is irrelevant, as has already been pointed out.
<4> It does not matter.
<4> now, if you'd even *ignored* the correction (and it was a correction) we wouldn't be having this discussion, but why try and fight it? It wasn't meant perfectly, it wasn't a jab at you, it was merely a correction in terms.
<4> s/perfectly/personally/
<4> in fact, fine, you win or whatever.
<15> whenever you get into installing linux on your computer you become a sysadmin
<15> sysadmins are evil.
<15> don't be evil.
<11> i don't mind being incorrect, it just hate pedants
<4> dood: The reason for the pedantry has been pointed out.
<4> dood: It's not pointless, it's required for discussions like this.
<4> dood: so that everybody can be sure they are singing from the same hymn-sheet, as such
<11> no it just becomes petty: pulling people of up on technicalities without any real merit
<11> -of*
<4> Well, if you can't see the merit then there's no point discussing this with you, as it can only result in confusion and bashed egos
<6> dood: "Technicality"? You ***erted they were the same. No one, in either camp, agrees with you. It's your ***ertion that has no merit.
<11> picking between different and separate is a technicality
<6> Oh, brother.
<4> dood: This is a *technical* discussion.
<6> steg: I apologize. Applying /ignore now.
<15> hmm
<11> there is no need to ignore: i'm open to accept what you've got to say but i just can't stand it when people are pedantic
<15> pedantry is necessary
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