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<0> -s/+d
<1> now. Take a deep breath...
<2> theres a difference between being pedantic and being 100% incorrect.
<1> ahhem.
<3> You're 100% incorrect? :-)
<0> Viking667, there's nothing to rub it in -- D-side is just picking semantic nits as usual.
<1> arnducky: actually, he's correct.
<2> now you're starting to irritate me.
<1> arnducky: and it rather depends upon how you define the term "dialtone"
<2> dialtone is completely and 100% seperate from DTMF signalling
<1> is it the tone that you get when you pick up the receiver on a live line?
<2> you can p*** DTMF digits in the clear absense of tone.
<2> which, should be pretty goddamn obvious to anyone who's ever used a phone menu system.
<0> I never said signalling, ****head -- you added that in yourself
<2> considering THATS ALL DTMF PROVIDES, of course you did
<4> heh
<2> now listen. i'm willing to overlook your clear violation of the channel rules on swearing
<2> but i'm not going to let you sit here and lie to the public like this.
<0> whatever...
<0> 'lie'
<5> Viking667 bronaugh thanks for your help guys
<2> these people are hear to learn, and you're just pulling this out of your ***. its pretty cut and dried.
<5> and TheGewp
<0> ZOMG, you mean my evil Nigeria bank swindle is not going to fly now that you're on my case?
<1> arnducky: nope.
<2> I'm just absolutely boggled by your refusal to listen to the facts.
<2> i mean, if thats something you want to believe, go right ahead. i'm not going to stop you.
<1> anyhow, let's continue on. Next person to complain gets bounce.d
<0> dude, I'm well aware of the signalling matrix, and I don't need a lecture from you.
<2> for the record
<6> what the hell.
<2> that man doesnt know what he's talking about.
<1> wait till he returns
<6> dialtones were around before DTMF
<6> pulse dialling.
<2> thats my point. he claims semantics. i claim bravo sierra.
<2> you'd think i work for a phone company or something......
<6> haha
<1> yeah yeah. Okay.
<5> and I claim I am totally lost to any of it
<5> lol
<6> yeah, friend of mine has a documentation CD for telephone switches used in the area.
<2> telephony isnt something you want to argue with me :)
<6> and lineman's handset, and various other toys.
<2> its the only thing i get right consistantly.
<1> I know little enough about it, but I do know what I know.
<7> hehe
<2> bronaugh: so, you can safely avoid that guy's "lab" :D
<4> how'd he get a handset?
<7> and dont let anyone tell you that it doesn't hurt to get hit by a phone line ..
<1> Time I went anyhow. Bronaugh, if you want to tell arnducky he can return...?
<2> kodon: anyone can buy one.
<1> Redragon: **** no! Not at 50 - 90 VAC
<2> Redragon: bah.
<7> kodon radio shack
<7> it ****s when the phone is ringing :)
<7> its not bad when its not
<6> Redragon: been zapped once. wasn't fun.
<6> I don't like being zapped by anything.
<2> Redragon: try putting your sweaty palm on the middle of a 66 block when a line test is running
<6> friend was like "it doesn't hurt to touch the neon light transformer"
<6> I told him no f'in way.
<4> oh. thought you had to make a box for an equivalent...
<7> no thanks
<2> and... here come the msgs.
<6> D-side: tell him he isn't banned.
<7> i dont like all the tingling
<6> and if he wants to yap it can happen in chan.
<3> D-side: Haha. We've had idiots testing for dial tone by putting their tongue on the cable. I wonder what happens when it rings. :-)
<2> man he's STILL god damn arguing!
<7> i missed the arguement, what was it about? all i caught was something on DTMF
<2> Redragon: the guy insists DTMF == dialtone
<6> he thinks DTMF == Dialtone
<7> rofl no i dont think so
<7> whats he call that tone you had on the line before they implimented DTMF?
<7> damn what part of dual tone multi frequency doesn't he understand?
<3> Pulse dialing? :-P
<6> pulse dialling's amusing.
<3> Hey, pulse dialing was a nice idea.
<6> there were some stupid phones, once upon a time, where you could pulse dial calls using the hook switch.
<7> so why did they put 0 (the emergency number back then) all the way at the end so you had to wait for it when you had an emergency? hehe
<3> bronaugh: You still can, probably.
<6> not all of them, now.
<8> Anyone ever made an RBL or DNSBL database with Postfix before?
<6> they've gotten a bit cleverer.
<3> Redragon: Because 1 - one short disconnect.
<7> actually most phone companies block pulse and charge you extra if you want it hehe
<6> Redragon: can happen accidentally.
<3> Redragon: 2 - two short disconnects. And so on and so forth.
<3> Redragon: Well, yeah. Of course, you need ancient equipment. Nobody's been using it for ages. It's like paying to go into a museum. :-D
<6> so far as I know it still works in Canada.
<2> i think i dropped a turd the size of montana in his mouth
<7> most line sets will go either way with a flick of the switch
<7> all of mine do
<3> Redragon: And 0 couldn't be no disconnect. It had to be 10. :-)
<2> my god
<2> i'm so goddamn aggravated over that i cant even explain it
<3> Heh.
<3> Have a beer?
<3> Relax? :-)
<7> d-side you know as well as any of use how many idiots there are in the world
<2> might go back to the coffee shop i adore down the street.
<2> Redragon: thats not it.
<2> thats not it at all.
<2> i can deal with it if he's just an ***
<2> but he's an *** who KNOWS he's right, regardless of the facts.
<3> Haha
<3> Yes.
<3> Reminds me of a customer who was seeing a case of unicast-flood and told me: "You have a route-map over there you need to fix"
<7> lol, big group of them around too
<3> It was pretty easy convincing him that's normal Ethernet traffic after I figured out I didn't misunderstand what he'd said :-)
<2> you still work for that isp?
<3> Yeah.
<2> how nice.
<3> For an year, on Friday.
<9> uhm, not that old there
<3> But, currently, on vacation. :-)
<3> Got train in, heh. Oh, three hours.
<2> oh, very nice.
<2> going anywhere ?
<3> Yeah. To a festival thingy. Drinking ocasion. :-)
<3> And, meeting some people from 'round the country.
<2> i've been at my job for 6 years, as of july 1
<3> Also. Hands need a rest. Started hurting again, a couple of weeks ago
<2> you may have guessed its a telephone company. :D
<6> hahah
<3> Mervin: No, not that old indeed. :-)
<2> my aggravation level is soaring. i havent been this pissed off from something online in a LOOONG time.
<2> its gotta be this channel. thats all there is to it.
<6> s/this channel/arnducky/
<2> heh i think i'll ban the next guy to enter #linux
<8> Oh, he's back?
<8> haha.
<8> wordup, bronaugh.
<6> muahahaha
<2> you're unbanned btw.
<6> hehe ok
<2> i'm finding it impossible to calm down
<10> greetings all
<10> Quick question
<10> is the loopback interface supposed to have a device file /dev/lo?
<10> if so, what is the major number
<10> ?
<11> heh
<6> rat_: no
<11> I forgot my numbers in my name make me unable to access this channel
<6> rat_: network devs in linux don't have device files.
<10> huh, I never noticed that before
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