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<0> lol. I said xfce-lool
<0> I promised myself not to go back to windows now.
<0> I trew away my windows cd's.
<0> so there is no going back
<1> btw
<1> the TUX NATION will survive!
<0> yeah
<0> hehe
<0> It looks like it is going trough yes
<0> no
<0> ofcourse
<0> subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
<0> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_0.093-1_i386.deb
<0>
<0> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
<1> ah, nice. maybe you have to remove hotplug? did you care to read all status messages?
<0> yes
<0> I says this version of udev needs kernel 2.6.15
<0> uname -r
<0> lol
<0> I have 2.6.8.1
<1> "apt-get --purge remove hotplug && apt-get --purge remove udev && apt-get install udev"
<1> ewwww
<1> crap that
<0> I should maby update my kernel
<1> get the 2.6.15-1-architecture for your box via additional apt sources
<1> or forget about udev and keep hotplug
<1> why would you need udev anyways?
<1> then you can stay with 2.6-8 stable
<0> I dont know
<1> then switch the order: apt-get --purge remove udev && apt-get install hotplug
<1> if you dont understand what you are currently doing then ask please
<0> I know
<0> its natural
<0> :P
<1> actions as admin of a linux box must be done with caution
<0> I remove udev now and is installing hotplug
<1> and KEEP BACKUPS
<0> is there any easy way to update the kernel?
<1> you'll regret it badly some day when you dont take backups of important stuff
<1> mujahid`, apt-cache search kernel
<0> ah
<0> ofcourse
<1> then pick what is best for your architecture thingie
<1> x86, i386, i586, k6, ... i986
<1> whatever suits you
<1> not the difference between IA64 and AMD64
<1> s/not/note/
<0> then I guess apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 would do the trick
<1> mujahid`, that is the proper syntax yes
<1> dont forget to update lilo and reboot
<0> grub
<1> well, or grub when you use that as boot manager
<1> but thats easier
<0> updating grub is easy
<0> :P
<0> ok. should I upgrade kernel now or after apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
<1> kernel _after_ the upgrade of anything else
<0> kk
<0> I understand
<1> maybe sure to keep "alternative boot"
<0> yeah. I have
<1> so you can go back to the last working kernel
<0> I have the fresh install kernel still
<1> another important thing to notice is: dont mess around manually in /usr/lib and /lib and /lib64
<1> do that via dpkg or apt
<0> its kinda obvious. but thanks for the tip
<1> its not obvious for many people thats why i mention it
<0> :)
<1> and avoid building source packages without following the debian policy or you break your system
<0> yeah
<1> goes for redhat or suse too of course
<1> or at least use Smart Package Manager (tm)
<0> well. I think I will stay with debian. its been the best linux system I tried
<1> it has a higher learning curve than other linux distributions with a GUI environment, but when you master your terminal you get much out of it
<1> the speed is awesome
<0> yeah. and stable
<1> the stable thing is a bit tricky. there are lots of old bugs in all kinds of distributions
<1> there are not too many bug hunters with enthusiasm behind anymore
<1> but well
<1> in my humble opinion, the next operating system generation should be 100% object oriented
<0> I had big problems with freeBSD and nvidia. the system rebooted every 5 minutes
<1> FreeBSD is still great for production environments when you know how to jail your services
<1> but that could cause a flame war so we better stop there :-p
<0> lol
<0> it looks like this is going the debian way :P
<1> :-p
<1> <no comment>
<0> what disto is you on
<1> debian most of the time
<0> ok
<0> cool. it went trough. now kernel update
<0> thanks Jemand
<1> mujahid`, no problem. its a long story till you are a good admin :-p
<0> :)
<0> brb.
<2> hi
<2> kernel 2.6.16 is that a stable one ?
<1> rickie, depends on the distribution, the source itself in stable tree is 2.6.17.1
<2> aha okah i have installed kernel 2.6.16 with make , make install make modules_install it is placed in boot
<2> i get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(3,7)
<1> yeah, nice
<1> on what distro?
<2> Red Hat
<1> RedHat what? Fedora? Enterprise? CentOS?
<2> i do know that my 200Gb harddisk was only bootable with lilo on my pervious 2.4 kernel and Red Hat
<2> Red Hat 9.0 as far as i do know
<1> oh dear
<1> thats ancient, but ok
<3> &j debian
<3> grr
<3> sorry
<2> Jemand as far as i do know i have all ide chipsets included and all filesystem too, including est3
<1> find yourself a linux livecd and boot that, then mount your root partition, chroot to it and fix your master boot record including your proper lilo/grub config, then try to boot
<3> Jemand: still no menus here
<1> mujahid_, oh lord, i would beat it slowly now! lol
<3> lol
<3> I will change to xfce then
<2> okay i use normally linux rescue, no problem how do i fix my master boot record ?
<2> the boot=/dev/hda and it does work i gues
<1> mujahid_, carefull. when you come close to XFCE 4.4 you will suffer from small problems
<1> at least on debian
<3> what kinda problems_
<1> wait till that goes in stable tree together with Xorg 7
<1> child diseases
<3> hehe
<1> stay on 4.2
<3> kk
<2> JEmand
<2> the boot=/dev/hda and it does work i gues
<2> how do i repair the master boot record
<1> rickie, the point is - installs lilo into MBR, is the /boot partition on the root partition, is that active, etc.
<1> well, lilo or grub, whatever you use
<2> okay i will see with fdisk whether it is active
<3> works fine now :D
<3> wit xfce4
<3> thanks for all help
<4> ha ha!! i have windows, and you cant get me!!!
<4> my registry is safe!!
<5> i wonder...
<2> is it possible to place fedora on a 1.4 Gb ?
<1> rickie, when you dont install too many GUI applications, yes
<2> oki
<2> fedora core1 jemand
<2> jemand and is it easy to upgrade from fedora core1 to core2
<6> is there any C function that gets the time in miliseconds, and not seconds like time?
<7> i don't think so... but you could always just divide by 1000
<7> err... 1,000,000
<1> re
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