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<0> (the mandrake of today)
<1> i know. got the one released last fall, but I like 10.1 better
<0> you could look at their website of there is a way to upgrade from mandrak 10.1 to mandriva 2005 and then to mandriva 2006. or wipe it out and start from scratch
<2> why did they change their name?
<1> they merged with optiva or something like that
<0> zrunn, i think for license / legal purposes
<2> oh well
<1> I could install from a tar.gz file, but just thought an rpm would be nice to use
<0> UglyOgre, so basically you want to keep an old version, use the newest mozilla and update almost all of your system because of that?
<1> actually, mozilla should run on a 2.2 kernel
<1> or at least 2.4
<0> its not about the kernel. its about all the libraries
<3> mozilla doesnt give a rats dongle about the kernel
<1> the dependency of the rpm had to do with some sort of desktop utility, maybe for installing folders and icons
<3> there's newer than mozilla 1.7?
<1> yeah
<1> 1.8 and 1.9 builds are Seamonkey, i think
<3> umm...no.
<3> unless you want beta/alpha software, use 1.7.12
<1> I test them on Windows
<1> nice easy hobby
<3> then *why* are you bothering with updating all of your linux box for beta software?
<3> if you want them that badly, build it from source
<1> i'm a tester, not a developer
<3> what's building from source got to do with developing versus testing?
<1> i don't know how to compile a big program, and don't have the system specs to do it easily
<1> haven't really compiled since dos days
<3> not much of a tester then, if you'll only test what other people build
<3> 'sides, it's not how fast your machine is that matters. it just takes a bit longer
<1> you got it. but i see obvious problems that average users would notice
<3> s/would/woudlnt?
<1> disk space on windows partitions would be a problem
<0> why do we talk windows, i dont understand that
<1> because I haven't tested on linux
<1> not everyone is born with 10 yrs unix experience
<0> you came to this place because it is a linux channel, i hope
<1> sure. and i was hoping to find good suggestions re: the linux desktop utility to install a recent rpm
<3> it's called 'rpm' surely
<3> or yum, or apt-get - depending on system, but none of those will install beta software
<3> if you *want* to test beta software, you'll have to compile from source more than likely
<1> not install beta? does that have to do with signing?
<0> UglyOgre, the point is that you aim to keep an old mandrake version with a new X11 application and you did not like the opinion that it causes conflicts
<3> 1.7.12 is release software. that's more than likely in rpm/deb/etc format. 1.8 and 1.9 are, if they even exist, likely to be in source-only or very specifically-created packages
<3> this means that installing them (should there be ready-built packages) are more than likely to be non-trivial.
<1> test builds for linux are usually in tar.gz files. release builds from mozilla are too. I just found an rpm by doing a search
<3> if you want to install an RPM, use 'rpm'
<0> no!
<3> if it's a beta build read the release notes which'll explain what you need.
<1> mandrake does it by rpmdrake, I think
<0> people shall keep their hands off from installing things manually when they have no idea what they are doing
<3> no? how do *you* install rpm files? same difference. rpmdrake is more than likely a wrapper for 'rpm'
<1> i guess you haven't seen the mandrake installer and uninstaller programs. There's a menu program that calls the rpm handler, whatever the name of it is.
<3> yeah...its probably *rpm* like i've said
<3> this will *not* work with beta software, more than likely
<0> this will not work also with release version when the RPM version is made for another release cycle
<1> understood. the rpm file I've got is a release version
<1> ok
<0> most software is build against certain libraries that have a certain version. when the developers move on with the release cycles you cant just mix version just cause they have the same package format
<0> if you want to try it anyways you should know exactly what you are doing
<1> thanks for the discussion. I'll see if I can get results with rpm.
<1> if not, tar.gz files will work
<3> yes. I'd use .tar.gz
<3> then again, I'd actually go about building from source
<3> ...and 1.7.12 is the release version. 1,8 is NOT
<1> :-( I'd actually like to learn how to build a mozilla, but don't know anything about using Linux programming tools
<1> been thinking about buying a gcc reference
<3> 'buying' 'gcc reference' ?
<1> a book
<1> that i can read without plugging in
<3> well download the source and read the files that come with it. there's usually a configure script which does most of the magic for you
<3> oh! dead tree format.
<3> o'reilly's are good for that
<1> i saw one co-authored by stallman that sounded good
<3> stallman is...well. he's clever, but...
<3> a stoned-out hippie communist?
<3> anyway, his books are probably good.
<1> one of the founders of open-source software
<3> yes, I know. good old RMS
<3> really long jesus beard. big fat bloke.
<1> foe of ripoff commercial overpriced software
<3> oh yeah, he's right there
<1> meeting him would take me back to college days---i could dig it, bro
<1> like Heinlein's character said. I'm only an egg. I gotta get crackin'
<3> well at least he reads heinlein.
<3> can't be all bad
<0> hey Viking667
<4> hi there.
<4> hrm.? What was Gaia^ on about?
<0> she only said "hi" earlier. must have been something on other channels
<0> say, is that normal that you have to pay for the domain registration for 1 year, and when you cancel the contract after 3 months you dont get any money back?
<2> yes
<0> sadness
<2> it's only like $10 anyway, what did you want back? $7 :)
<0> $10? only very few toplevel domains are that cheap
<0> and with $7 you can do a lot of things. and if its just a donation for amnesty international
<5> ValeFiona all domain registrations are 1 year none refundable
<0> Redragon^, i see. will have to keep that in mind :)
<6> help!
<0> Floppy`, oh no! whats wrong?
<7> the Floppy` is broken
<6> i want to instal linux on my pc what version do you recomand to me :)
<0> oh dear :)
<2> oh I dunno.. you buy them from a reseller or something?
<2> ok sorry
<8> Redragon^: does gnuhh work nice on centos ? i mean the shared installation.
<0> that depends a lot on your needs Floppy`. for beginners Fedora Core, Ubuntu and Mandriva are quite good
<8> ValeFiona: i currently use ubuntu but i'm no begginer.
<6> ValeFiona : mandriva can`t dedect my video card ..
<7> freakazoid !
<0> synaptic, the point of view was different: "what could i suggest a beginner" instead of "only begginers can use ubuntu"
<9> sorry, i'm not english :))
<9> like that would be a good excuse.
<0> Floppy`, what video card do you have?
<6> g Foce 4 mx
<9> radeon 9250 rocks on ubuntu with a little tweaking.
<0> i used to have a GeForce 4 MX and it worked fine
<6> on mandriva ValeFiona ?
<0> Floppy`, what version did you download?
<0> yes, on all kinds of linux distributions
<0> its widely used like the ET4000 decades ago
<6> i586
<0> Floppy`, but mandriva 2006?
<6> the same ..
<7> too bad the powerpack as any other doesnt support acceleration on my mobility radeon 7000
<6> it apears on my screen something i can`t explayn ... haotic lines and more ..
<6> and i try using VGA ... but the same ..
<10> any foreman? or maybe toolman?
<0> Floppy`, let me ask more specific questions. when you boot the install cd of mandriva 2006, you dont specify something special, just hit "enter", let it boot and a graphical screen appears, right?
<6> yes .. ValeFiona the boot screen apears after that i`ve make the 3 partitions
<6> and when i configure the video card and test it , puff :)
<0> Floppy`, boot screen? after partitioning? hm.
<6> yes ValeFiona
<11> hmm longword you need to wake up....
<0> thats not "Mandriva 2006" you use there
<6> shure it is ...
<2> I think he means he can get past the partitioning part of the installer
<0> your graphics card detection is way before the partitioning
<6> my mantriva kit is after the detection of partitions ..
<6> and it is mandriva linux 2006 man
<6> ValeFiona what about suse linux ?? it is good ?
<12> I have 2 pcs connected.One that has the internet has windows xp and the other has fedora core 4.How can i someone from the internet view my webpage tha i have on my webserver if the pc that has the webserver on its not directly connectd to the internet>
<12> ?
<5> paranomos if your windows box is the internet connection you'll need to ask that question in a windows help channel
<5> personally i would never use the windows box as the gateway, i hide all my windows boxes behind a linux firewall
<12> Aha ok reddragon.Thx.If then the two pcs are behind a router i have to make router to port forward to my httpd?
<0> Floppy`, Suse/Novell Linux, Red Hat/Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu and Madriva are all good. its personal preference which one you choose
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