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<0> sc01: because hard drives die and it's *expensive* to get things off of them once they're gone
<0> thousands and thousands of dollars expensive
<1> yeah I dont know what to do anymore
<1> this ****s
<1> everything is running good as is, I just cant apt-get remove anything
<0> backup :P
<0> that's what you should do :P
<1> yeah k
<1> will try to
<0> anything you'd be sorry to lose should be in at *least* two places
<0> sc01: this isn't advice specific to your problem, btw
<0> sc01: it is general common sense
<0> computers go wrong, so you can lose anything at any time
<1> my second hd should be fine
<0> really?
<1> but I can back up my primary hd
<2> use another location, preferably in a different town
<1> cause thats where my os is installed
<0> sc01: don't back up the whole thing
<1> (which is screwing up on me fast)
<0> most of it is easily replaceable
<0> sc01: and what happens if there's a power surge and the electronics of both drives goes?
<1> yeah ill just get the important files of mine
<2> p0w4h s0rj
<3> I guess I have to get adept from online, only I don't know how to install from a d/l'ed file
<0> really, I thought that this had been successfully drilled into every computer user
<0> Pfloyd45: install what?
<3> adept
<1> ployd45: adept is a program for kde, which will help you with installing packages
<0> oh, I see, I ***umed that was just a word that was part of your sentence
<3> ok
<0> Pfloyd45: what distro are you using?
<0> because, like, they're all different and stuff
<3> lemmie see
<4> debian has adept
<3> stable
<4> apt-get install adept
<3> I tried doing apt-get install adept from the terminal without being in a specific gui
<3> and no go
<4> what did it say
<3> not found
<4> what do your source.list look like
<4> in /etc/apt
<3> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
<4> add non-free to the end of that
<4> er wait thats security
<3> oh ok, I don't know what happend to my old sources.list
<3> I guess when I reinstalled
<3> ok ty all
<4> add , deb http://ftp.debian.org/ stable main non-free contrib
<4> you cant have just the security one in there
<0> deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib
<0> woohoo
<0> wait isn't sarge like OLD
<4> use stable
<0> I lose track of debian distros
<0> nah, use a name
<0> that way you don't get nasty surprises
<3> stable is what I installed in the first place
<4> if i still used sarge, i would be running stable, and not testing, cause etch is now testing
<3> although I think I had to update the kernel to 686 something to make sound work
<4> use stable, so that when the distro changes you change with it
<0> ziri: yes, but you wouldn't get nasty surprises when things change
<0> ziri: You wouldn't one day go "Oh, I could do with upgrading", then suddenly find YOU HAVE MOVED VERSION!!!
<0> it's be awful :(
<0> so track by name
<4> well the only drastic change in the past year is the xserver to xorg
<4> thats about it
<0> when you want to upgrade, change the name
<0> hi `Jadey`
<5> oh helo
<5> ;)
<4> nah you want a moved version, woody is old, woody was the old stable , now sarge is, everyone that has woody is running super old ****
<4> if they were to have stable , instead of woody, they would have new stable
<1> ziri: after doing all those apt-get upgrades, when I reboot will things be changed ???
<0> ziri: Yes, but things can randomly break.
<1> ****
<0> ziri: if you allow them to upgrade without plan
<4> Stegul sometimes
<6> heck, and sarge will be the old stable in a matter of weeks (hopefully)
<0> ziri: This ***umes that you aren't a complete retard, btw
<1> why do I always have to upgrade
<0> ziri: And do occasionally do some system administration
<1> if it aint broke why fix it ?
<4> Stegul im talking about home use
<4> production is diff
<6> ziri: The problem with old stufff is that it probably IS broke, you just don't know about it.
<0> ziri: I guess it's a matter of personal preference ;)
<1> why upgrade if my system was working just fine, except the apt-get part
<4> i been running debian since potato being testing
<0> ziri: I don't like to move distro without knowing about it.
<0> ziri: And I have been bitten by this before.
<4> i been through hell and back
<4> hehe
<6> At the very least, never run a debian stable that doesn't have active security updates anymore
<1> maybe I shouldnt have upgraded
<0> ziri: I have intended to track testing until it became stable, and accidentally upgraded to the *new* testing
<0> which is a PITA to fix
<4> i had a problem with the xorg move
<6> Stegul: I've changed my testing references to say etch explicitly ;)
<0> sc01: because good internet users upgrade because not upgrading means you will get hacked
<4> had to uninstall xserver packages, and reinstall
<4> but fixed
<1> ahh
<0> wlfshmn: I do the same
<0> wlfshmn: now ;)
<0> I have been running debian since either ham or slink
<0> I think slink
<6> "Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 to be terminated on June 30th [2006]"
<0> It came free on the back of a book
<6> I started with rex myself, but didn't stick to it. Went back to debian in bo, and have been running it ever since
<3> I'm going to try it both ways, I don't have an opinion in other words
<3> when I see something new is out I'll change to stable
<1> what is the most secure os ??
<6> That really isn't an easy question
<1> yeah I hate upgrading debian all the time
<1> always when I have work to do
<1> on other things'
<1> how come when I try to apt-get remove something, it doesnt remove ??
<6> sc01: apt tells you why if it's unable to remove something
<1> Bus error
<4> sc01 you got a broken system
<6> Bus errors tend to be the result of faulty hardware
<1> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 135
<1> >
<1> ?
<6> most often either bad memory, or an overheating system
<1> everything seems fine
<1> I just checked the memory
<1> its been running perfect for the last 3 days
<1> but I cant use apt
<1> haha yeah I dont want to reboot, but Im thinking about it
<0> the drain is blocked :(
<0> :(
<1> I should just leave my computer on forever
<1> last time I did apt-get upgrade, I rebooted my computer, and everything was completely different
<1> thats funny, the people who say to do an apt-get upgrade say that dist-upgrading is unsafe, and the people that say to dist-upgrade say "dont do apt-get upgrade"
<1> I dunno what to do
<4> i told yah
<1> yep
<4> dist upgrade upgrades the system, upgrade updates the packages
<1> have you heard of kanotix ??
<4> nah
<1> yeah, so, doing just a plain upgrade is safer right ?
<4> yeah
<1> that makes sense to me
<1> cool
<1> but I still cant fix that stupid problem I have with apt
<6> sc01: I say you should use dist-upgrade when actually upgrading from one version to another
<4> if you do upgrade you stay stable, if you dist upgrade you move from stable to testing
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