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<0> T`aZ: I must have left out udfs when I originally recompiled the kernel.
<1> steg, but why SHOULDN'T I run the PC with user root ?
<2> ho so you know how to do that, should not be too hard then :)
<1> what's so bad in that?
<0> T`aZ: Yeah I'm pretty expert at recompiling kernels, just never tried installing modules afterwards.
<2> Weapon-: you'll knwo why, when you'll data
<2> +lose
<1> the data doesn't just "dissapear" right?
<0> Weapon-: The problem with running root all the time is you can easily make a mistake and screw your whole system, just by a typo.
<1> yeah, well, I've gain my user root privileges and now it should work fine...
<3> if im gonna install drivers for my cam, does it need to be installed as root?
<2> probably
<4> Weapon-: root should be used sparingly.
<4> Weapon-: there's the possiblity of you making a mistake
<4> Weapon-: there's also the possibility of you running malicious code.
<1> I see
<4> it has much more scope for damage if you are running as root.
<0> Weapon-: If you don't know what you're doing, and you're running as root, it's only a matter of time before you delete your harddrive.
<4> and if you do know what you're doing, you won't be running as root
<1> oh, come on duplex, I'm not that stupid
<4> Weapon-: hah. You don't have to be stupid.
<1> to delete your hard drive?
<4> Weapon-: yup.
<4> Weapon-: or at least do lots of damage
<4> Weapon-: a cl***ic is when removing editor backup files...
<1> ok...well...now
<5> you'd be surprised how easily it can be done
<4> cd /etc/; rm * ~
<5> even by experienced people
<4> that's *one space* too many
<3> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/chris/fpix-0.17.0/driver/.tmp_versions': P ermission denied
<3> ??
<4> and suddenly your machine is completely broken
<1> ok ok I see your point
<1> now, I should do an update right?
<4> rm -r / tmp/lots_of_temp_stuff
<4> ouch!
<1> apt-get update should do it right?
<0> Weapon-: If you did a rm -rf / home/username (notice I accidentally put a space between / and home), that would delete your hard drive. You don't have to be stupid, typos are easy.
<4> Weapon-: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
<1> thanks steg
<1> perhaps you know an MP3 player too?
<3> amarok
<0> T`aZ: I'm trying debian's modconf, like their documentation says, and I've looked through the entire list of modules, and udf just isn't in there. The only thing under file systems, actually, is a.out and misc binaries.
<4> Weapon-: err, I don't use linux much :)
<4> Weapon-: I would think there'd be one that comes with ubuntu
<1> umm...yeah, but it's not so cool
<0> Weapon-: Xmms is a good mp3player, so is mp3blaster if you want a command line one.
<1> I know xmms, but ubuntu doesn't have it :(
<0> apt-get install xmms
<6> you running Ubuntu?
<1> steg, I should run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; from root console right?
<1> UrbanSage, as a matter of fact, yes
<6> having any problems with it crashing after a day of running?.......usually if the screensaver kicks in or if theres no workload for a couple hours.
<4> Weapon-: that should do it.
<1> ok steg thanks
<2> duplex: that's the priblem actually, you need to build the module
<1> I'll need to install my video card driver too, hope it's on the CD ...
<2> duplex: or find one already made for your kernel
<0> T`aZ: Let me guess, these wouldn't be standard debian packages would they?
<2> duplex: i dont know debian, sorry
<1> umm...one more question for now... what web server should I use ?
<4> probably apache
<1> if there's something like EasyPHP for Linux...it would be great
<0> T`aZ: alright thanks. I'll figure it out.
<1> ...I hate compiling PHP and MySQL separately :(
<7> Is PHP not easy enough?
<2> good luck duplex =)
<7> Compiling?
<7> Dude! It's not the '80s any more!
<5> Weapon-: don't compile, apt-get install :b
<1> installinh...
<1> installing*
<1> ok
<1> I'll try that :)
<8> you tell em
<7> Weap: What Linux distribution are you installing?
<1> as I told you...I've used Slackware before...and it's waaaaaaaay different than Ubuntu
<1> I'm using Ubuntu now longword ...
<7> apt-get is indeed your friend
<0> Slackware is cool until you realize that with all the needed dependencies you can spend days installing simple software.
<1> someone told me that this is easier to learn than Slack
<5> Weapon-: you poor thing ;)
<7> And apt-cache search
<5> !slackware
<9> slackware is probably what we used to use before we had real distributions, or has 4,999 users, now that zatmac uses debian, or for the terminally masochistic, or if i want a copy of PV's harddrive, i ask him myself. "Slackware, because Linux is only free if you DON'T VALUE YOUR TIME", or so "secure" that you can't even do your work with it.
<1> that's right duplex :)
<10> hi
<11> can someone help me?
<10> don't ask to ask
<11> oh sorry... how do I start X Windows from shell?
<10> startx
<11> i did that but then I can't log in
<10> init 4;
<11> what does that do?
<10> changes runlevel
<11> ok hold on
<11> YES!!! it worked! :) :)
<10> it usually does
<11> thanks!!!!
<10> go away
<11> Gotta go l8r thanks
<10> that was my bot
<12> howdy folks
<10> hi
<13> .
<1> hey
<1> I have another "little" problem...I've installed XMMS, but the sound is pretty weird...too much base
<1> what should I do now?
<10> use a mixer to turn down base
<1> I've used...ALSA Mixer
<14> Hello everybody! i'm having a problem with my postfix mail system... it just won't send mails... it stores `em into the /var/spool/postfix/defferred dir... any ideeas ?
<10> there's one installed in xmms try it?
<1> no "base channel" or something like that
<1> it's on default...OFF
<10> try kmixer
<1> OMG
<1> it's not even outputting stereo signal
<1> now it is :)
<1> brb
<0> T`aZ: I have an idea, I'm going to try to just use make menuconfig, choose udf to "install as module", then do a make modules_install... that should compile it, and I can try to insert it with modconf.
<15> T|pu: what does the log says?
<2> duplex: right, but dont forget, if you installed other modules by hand (nvidia crappy module or others) they will be removed by your make modules install, so'll have to reinstall them
<14> Jan 18 23:08:56 altuma postfix/smtp[27973]: 9B4F91FE63: to=<mymail@yahoo.com>, relay=mx3.mail.yahoo.com[64.156.215.18], delay=354, status=deferred
<14> netbeui ^
<0> T`aZ: No I never installed anything by hand, just in the kernel make menuconfig, and then I was wise enough to save my configuration.
<14> any ideea netbeui ?
<15> T|pu: before that, but mails that can't be delivered at the moment will be deferred by postfix and then retried again later on
<14> netbeui : Jan 18 23:08:54 altuma postfix/smtp[27973]: connect to mx2.mail.yahoo.com [4.79.181.134]: read timeout (port 25)
<0> T`aZ: Damn. Got this. FATAL: Error inserting udf (/lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/fs/udf/udf.ko): Invalid module format
<14> netbeui : so it's not postfix... right ? it's "hatchoo"
<15> T|pu: theres your answer.. thats why ur mail got a deferred status
<2> duplex: right, it should be a .o
<2> duplex: was that installed by make mudules_install ?
<14> netbeui : how can i increase the retry no? yahoo usually has its first 4-5 servers verry busy...
<0> T`aZ: Yes.
<15> T|pu: probably due to a slow connection that
<15> T|pu: probably due to a slow connection thats why it got timeout
<14> netbeui: how can i increase the retries in sending a mail ?
<15> T|pu: don't worry it will stay there for quite sometime (: and it will be retried for a quite sometime too
<15> hehe
<14> =)
<2> duplex: hmm, strange i dont know
<15> T`aZ: newer kernel modules ends with .ko
<0> FATAL: Error inserting udf (/lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/fs/udf/udf.ko): Invalid module format <--- Does anyone know what could be the problem?
<0> T`aZ: Okay, I appreciate the help.
<1> can anyone please tell me where can I get the "User configuration" pannel in Ubuntu ?
<1> a table with all user groups and things like that...
<14> netbeui : it was yahoo :) sorry to waste your time :) thanks again
<2> netbeui: ho
<2> duplex: uname -a
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