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<0> default_, yes
<0> default_, iptraf
<1> default_ you do realize as soon as your caught your job is gone, no company in the world would sanction it for the mere legal issues involved
<2> themaxxz: I'd blame parents, gun availability, shcool system, generally violent society, no adult communication and a failed social system. Violent games probably vented it for a while so he didn't do it sooner.
<3> well, some good news, non functioning activesync is not caused by the ssl relay
<4> default_: tcpdump -xX -i eth0 -s 100
<5> securety reasons ? uhm.. :) isent it a admins job to make sure there is no iligal traffic ?
<6> Yeah... like you're the actual admin. Uh huh.
<1> default_ that doesn't give you a blanket okay to listen in on conversations
<5> ok, maybe not the msn conversations, but to see what ppls download with p2p programs would be nice to check.. snort ,btw does thet sets the nic in promisc ?
<3> blaming videogames is easy, so is letting thiefs loose since they didnt have any room to put him
<1> anytime you listen to an ip that isn't ***igned to a machine the nic has to be in prom mode
<1> now quit asking kiddie questions
<5> we all have to start somewhere to learn
<5> i dont like books
<1> you have to start learning how to be a kiddie, it has nothing to do with being an admin
<1> err dont have to that is
<5> i would say its a grayarea with packet encoding. its all about what you use it for
<5> i originaly wanted to see my own traffic at irc..
<2> seeing your own traffic on IRC: look at your IRC client
<1> when you peep and your not the admin its not grey at all
<3> I wonder if they are going to blame itunes for that guy who killed a boy for his mp3 player
<3> anyway
<3> LadyByte, be network barbie
<7> Debugging TCP/IP is HARD!
<2> themaxxz: I blame IRC for my slow work pace...
<5> the fact that i think it would be nice to see what other ppls write on msn shouldnt make me a kiddie, i belive its few of you that do not like to see into other ppls privatelife.. how many % of the worlds population likes to learn about other ppls ? ofcourse not all of us things humans are all that great
<2> default_: ... yes, that makes you a kiddie.
<2> default_: That shows a lack of respect for other peoples private life, and that is a basic kiddie personality flaw.
<5> noone of you ever spyed on girls in shower at school ? :) hmmm, ok.. i can agree that its a lack of respect, and that that again is a sign of imaturenes, but still i belive its more than 50% of all of u that , likes the idea about watching other ppls private conversations.. exept the conversations thats just strage or disgusting
<2> default_: What are you, twelve?
<1> i have access to thousands of email accounts across multiple servers and its never crossed my mind to even look at one
<5> the idea about doing something, or the wish to do something, is different from actuallt doing it.. so the judge says anyway
<5> Demonen: i just love fighting.. 24 actually
<2> default_: Well, your social maturity is about 12.
<1> default_ the only difference between your wish to do it and you doing it, is your inability to do it
<5> i have access to a few thousands mails too, never actually tought about reading those eather.. but, msn , is something else..
<2> How is it something else?
<2> It is just as private, it's just realtime.
<1> where you work?
<2> I think he works for an education company called Noroff in Norway.
<5> Demonen: that i may agree on.. i got a bit ****ed up by videogames and stuff like that.. difference on mail and msn is, msn is a live thing, ppls show other thougts there usualy.. more private ones ..
<2> I'm considering emailing administration there to tell them that they either need to fire someone, or that they should tighten security.
<5> if i really would do it, do u think i would stil be here talking with u ?
<5> the thing about msn spesific
<2> The reason you are here is that you are clueless as to the methods you need to use, not because you have any moral limitation.
<5> my boss encurage me to try out different toosl and , learn
<2> Either that, or you're a hipocrit.
<2> default_: the boss being root@noroff.no?
<2> Or Kjetil Johan?
<5> whats a hipocrit ? if it has something to do with boredom or wish to learn its ok.. i know how i can read all our mail, so thats not why im here.
<5> root@noroff.no i could reach him on
<5> i could read\delete it too before he read it
<5> slettebo@noroff.no is the one u want
<5> dont know who kjetil johan is
<8> Anyone able to help a noobie get his wireless internet to work using a new install of Mandriva?
<1> so now your trying to hold the company hostage and prevent any emails about you from reaching management, wow thats professional
<5> ah, know who it is btw, but doubt he'll respond
<5> trying to hold the company hostage ? i just gave u the mail to our admin
<5> if u look at www.noroff.no/bvoaibrjiaeurhbiu u'll see he's the contact person
<5> or www.noroff.no/whatever ,, a site that gives 404 error
<5> still, NOONE of u agrees that the idea about looking at other ppls privatelife is tempting ?
<1> you gave the mail and also stated you'd interfere with the delivery
<5> noone of u like other ppls ?
<1> i like ppl, thus i respect their privacy
<2> I'm with Redragon on that.
<5> did i say i would ? or that i could ?
<1> you said you could
<2> Seriously, if you worked for me, and I saw this, you would be very fired.
<5> im helping u even.. still u cant convince me that im wrong.. exept about the fact that its a bit imature to not respect privacy before the tempting thought arises
<9> Evening
<2> whois information lists ari@noroff.no, who is that, then?
<1> its not immature, its illegal in most places
<2> Hello ScoT
<1> hiya scott
<5> i still say this is a grayarea, to have desided to do something before u think about it is, ... hard
<3> I want a HAL9000
<9> hi demonen redragon
<8> Can anyone point me to a channel that may be able to help me with wireless on Mandriva (otherthan #Mandriva, since they are not answering either)
<5> ari is echonomics, he barely knwo what a mail is
<6> Is this kiddie *still* going on?
<2> $joke->insert(-topic => 'beam up');
<1> xavier5569 not sure, i haven't done much wireless work myself :(
<9> xavier5569: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/
<5> i could stop fighting if u want :) just tell me to be silent about it
<5> xavier5569: what kind of nic you have ?
<5> lsmod or lspci usualy gives u an idea
<10> Skypeout is now free in the US and Canada until December
<6> default_: You speak like a kiddie, you want to do kiddie things... what else do you expect to be called?
<2> Redragon: What's up?
<1> got a server down and really wish i had a kvm over ip atm
<1> have someone running fsck on it atm
<5> im not a server, im a client :) mwilson, i do speak a bit on theyr behalf yes, cause i grew up learning like that.. i have honestly not hacked anything the last 4 years.
<1> it didn't wanna reboot via power cycle, weee
<5> erhm,. nothing outside my own localarea network that is.. my own servers that i already have fysical access to and that was in the sprit of securety pentesting
<2> Redragon: oh joy...
<2> default_: What's your Real Name in The Real World?
<8> default_ : My hardware config says Acer WarpLink 802.11b, module: prism2_usb
<1> yea the fun of it all...
<2> Redragon: You purposly rebooted it, and it wouldn't come back up?
<5> okok, i see you dont care nomore. my last word should be, it IS a grayare and difference to think about something and actually doing it.
<5> Demonen: Mr I.Dont.Want.Work.Again.Ever :) i see your side too
<5> xavier5569: what os did u run ?
<2> default_: There can't be that many network people with email server access...
<8> default_: Mandriva 2006
<2> default_: Hvis jeg ikke fr svar p mail s ringer jeg, du forstr det, right?
<5> Demonen: what you mean ? peoples in our network ? im not to bright maybe but, i know noone would know if theyr network is safe until its tested
<5> xavier5569: google linux-wlan-ng
<5> Demonen: thats ok, if your so rightus that you also give tell EVERYTHING thats been said and dont just cut out the word that fits your goal
<5> thats ok with you ?
<5> anyway its ok.. i have logs myself
<1> i got a better idea, discussion dropped, no more talk of it, problem solved
<2> Ofcourse, if I give them logs, I'd give them the whole log.
<2> aye Redragon
<5> i think your just upset cause u cant admint that there is, not only a difference , but a big difference, on wanting something and actually doing it
<1> last warning, drop it
<5> then its a question about who has the right log.. hm..
<5> okok dropped
<2> uh oh
<2> Redragon: You might aswell kick me now, for it WILL happen.
<1> yea, all them lovely mnt dew in the fridge and I can't have any :(
<5> i DO know what u mean..heh, thats like half the reason im here "fighting"
<1> ugg i'm stuck with cool aid ...
<2> Why not? Doing blood pressure monitoring or something?
<1> isotopic stress test on the ticker at 7:30 am tomorrow
<2> Redragon: ... oh joy
<2> I bet that server is helping
<1> yea, nothing like pumping me full of radioactive goodies and making me walk on a treadmill
<1> if i were there i'd probably have thrown it out a window
<2> Our netadmin at work claims that's why our server room is on the ground floor and has no windows.
<1> hehe
<2> Dear I say the Evil Name? ... I'll brave it.
<2> We've got a Domino Server in there.
<1> ewww
<2> Hence the need for a windowless ground floor room.
<1> least all but 1 of mine are linux, the oddball out is an Xserve with darwin on it
<2> Oh, we've got Active Directory now.
<1> ppl ask if we host on windows and i answer "nope, we do it right"
<2> The company was trying to land a deal with MicroSoft (support contract), so they had to swear off Novell Netware
<2> Logging in takes 5 minutes now
<2> Used to be as-fast-as-local
<9> what's darwin like redragon, i've even heard that abusers say they don't like darwin
<1> eww MS still up to the evil deeds
<1> scot its more like bsd than linux, i'm not overly thrilled with it myself
<2> BSD is dead. Netcraft confirms. (sorry, I had to)
<1> but some feller in charge decided we needed a video streaming server, so now we have an Xserve
<9> hmm i see
<1> of course very very very little streaming actually goes on, and rarely is that live
<2> I bet that's gonna sting a bit when budget reviews come around...
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