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<sinthetek> essentially*
<sinthetek> i heard that term before but google is only showing it in relation to housing
<sinthetek> thus far
<LeBear> sinthetek: we pay about $4500/yr for tution.. (for a comp.sci. degree)
<LeBear> sinthetek: as opposed to the $9000/yr for tution in the US.
<LeBear> it just costs less..
<sinthetek> oh
<sinthetek> for any canadian citizen?
<sinthetek> or for anyone at all?
<LeBear> citizen..
<LeBear> I think for foreigners, it's something like 12000/yr.
<LeBear> that's just based on the one university I went to
<sinthetek> so for like a community college or worse uni it would be substantially cheaper, huh?
<LeBear> college and university. apples and oranges.
<sinthetek> meaning it might not be subsidized at all?
<LeBear> it's still subsidized.. it's just cheaper.. and aimed at a different sort of job.
<LeBear> college programs are generally 3yr at $3000/yr (rough estimate)
<LeBear> university programs are generally 4-5yr at $4500/yr.
<LeBear> but the jobs you get afterwards are different.
<sinthetek> do people use colleges for a stepping stone to uni much there?
<sinthetek> don't*
<LeBear> not often..
<sinthetek> i always thought of it as just cheaper version of the same type thing
<LeBear> maybe where you are, but not over here.
<sinthetek> you can get comp sci degree from college or uni, but from a uni you secure the same jobs from a company that pays more
<sinthetek> hrmph
<LeBear> no..
<ngine> :)
<sinthetek> anyone familiar with dspam?
<Redragon> kinda
<RudeLove> If a pgp encrypted file says "gpg: encrypted with ELG-E key, ID 4319D46A" while I try to decrypt it, and the ID on my public key (supposedly used to encrypt the file) is different than that ID, I should tell the person who encrypted it to encrypt it and really use my key this time, no?
<themaxxz> whats an "incomplete multibyte or wide character" ?
<Nathan_> hello
<`MaMaT294> any1 can help
<Redragon> only if you ask a question
<Redragon> besides can anyone help :)
<`MaMaT294> can any 1 send my documentation about hacking?
<LeBear> Redragon can.. he's a master of that.. hehe
<Redragon> no, we wont help you with that and will ask you to leave because we despise script kiddies
<`MaMaT294> i need it for my ***ignment
<`MaMaT294> im just asking
<`MaMaT294> im not begging y'all
<Redragon> hacking is your ***ignment?
<Det4100> LOL
<LeBear> blue is my favourite colour
<LeBear> no wait.. green.
<Redragon> damn i musta just fell off the truck
<LeBear> why dont you just read the hacking manpage
<awpti> hmm
<`MaMaT294> its an ***ignment
<`MaMaT294> im having my course
<`MaMaT294> so can u help me or not?
<`MaMaT294> dats it
<awpti> Oh, you want us to do your homework.
<Redragon> what course and where? what kind of school would require you to do an ***ignment on hacking?
<`MaMaT294> yes..
<`MaMaT294> pm u
<awpti> Idiot. Go do your homework yourself.
<Redragon> can't say i have much confidence in a school that teaches hacking
<`MaMaT294> lalalala
<Redragon> wonder if its in .ro hehe
<flush> any ideas on how to reinstall grub under ubuntu
<ShadowLight> how can I rotate a log for maillog who is now 5 gig
<ShadowLight> i would not like to delete it, since it would probably broke the mail process.
<BattleMage> hi ppl.. can i ask 4 help pls ?
<flush> yes but you may bet banned for doing so
<Redragon> ShadowLight you create a log rotation script in /etc/logrotate.d on most distros
<Redragon> man logrotate will give you info on how to do that
<ShadowLight> mm i thought qmail and sendmail did it automatically and i wnated only to do it before it's automatic time.
<Redragon> most distros already have a rotation script in there for /var/log though
<ShadowLight> ok
<Redragon> no its part of syslog not qmail or sendmail
<Redragon> up your time, say instead of every 7 days make it every day, or something like that
<LeBear> you could probably get away with doing echo "Now my log is small" > thislogfile
<BattleMage> well i will get that risk... i need to ask... im trying to install a module for get my winmodem up.. but i need the IRQ number and other things... i did cat /proc/pci and it says the file doesnt exist... where can i found that info ????
<ShadowLight> mm you're right, but in /etc/logrotate.d has no file for maillog
<ShadowLight> or mail services
<ShadowLight> i will check each file if i can find something
<Redragon> ShadowLight usually there is one there called syslog
<Redragon> that rotates /var/log/*.log (on redhat based distro)
<Redragon> it will vary a little distro to distro but does about the same thing
<ShadowLight> i have the syslog it's in it ?
<ShadowLight> ok
<ShadowLight> it seems i have the right entry in syslog
<ShadowLight> but my file is 5 gig (going to check the timestamp
<ShadowLight> arrggg
<ShadowLight> timestamp show that th elast rotate occured yesterday the august 14th
<ShadowLight> it means in one day i got for 5 gig of log ...
<Redragon> how many email accounts are there?
<ShadowLight> near 500
<Redragon> i have way more than 500 email accounts and dont generate 5 gig of logs
<Redragon> you got something turned on high debug?
<Redragon> maybe your pop3 is in debug, or your mta, or something thats generating lots of extra entries
<Redragon> BattleMage try lspci
<ShadowLight> i have lot of tcpserver status
<Redragon> sounds like something is carried away
<ShadowLight> what you mean ?
<Redragon> to generate a 5 gig log takes a crap load of info
<Redragon> even on my busiest servers i dont see anywhere near that kind of log volume
<BattleMage> ok.. thx for the help
<Redragon> what mta are you using?
<LeBear> I've seen log files in the gigs quite a bit..
<ShadowLight> sorry for the pv, i didn't want to copy paste in the main
<ShadowLight> qmail
<ShadowLight> with hsphere
<ShadowLight> and sendmail
<ShadowLight> for formmail and php script
<Redragon> 2 mta on 1 box?
<LeBear> lol
<ShadowLight> only qmail is working usually
<Redragon> oh sendmail is just a link to pipe into qmail then
<LeBear> I bet someone is spamming through you
<ShadowLight> sendmail is used by default by php script
<ShadowLight> lebear not impossible
<Redragon> you need to figure out how to tell that pos qmail to quit logging the status
<Redragon> ShadowLight if your using formmail then its possible
<Oeyvind> Hello. Ihave installed SUSE on my computer and the screenresolution is driving me mad. (58 hz). IBMs site where I see the specs says that my graphicscard is ATI Rage XL PCI 8MB but YAST says it is ATI Mach64GR. Whos right, and how do I change it?
<Redragon> all it takes is 1 user messing up the config
<ShadowLight> we had some problem of spam but i'm clueless about what's wrong. (i just know spammer use our client php scrip to inject data and spam).
<Redragon> oh its really easy to do with poorly written php
<ShadowLight> bbs alike application
<ShadowLight> i see most of them on my log
<Redragon> phpbb
<ShadowLight> yep
<ShadowLight> too
<Redragon> you can patch php so it adds a header in emails showing what script created the email, helps track exploiting
<awpti> or just not allow the mail() function.
<LeBear> Redragon: say.. you know any tricks to chroot a apache vhost?
<danq> Beh. Anyone ever had proftpd just die when a user was logging in? Debug shows nothing suspicious, however I suspect it has something to do with mod_sql
<ShadowLight> yep i already have it
<ShadowLight> that's how i found it
<LeBear> Redragon: I don't want a full shell chroot for apache. Just a documentroot chroot for the vhost itself..
<Oeyvind> Never mind. I found out.
<ShadowLight> can i delete maillog file without broking the system ?
<Redragon> you can't chroot just a vhost :(
<ShadowLight> i did rm -rf maillog and kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid` and it worked
<Redragon> ShadowLight yes
<Redragon> rm maillog then restart syslog
<Redragon> LeBear i sure as hell wish i could chroot just a vhost
<ShadowLight> i have to figure out where this tcpserver extra loggin is coming from, in one minute it got 1M
<ShadowLight> brb
<LeBear> Redragon: I've been wanting something like that lately.. I may have to just go ahead and make it myself. heh
<Redragon> lebear it would be sooooo sweet if apache added support for that to apache
<Redragon> wonder if they are going to do that with 2.2
<Redragon> would be damn sweet
<Redragon> the closest you get is limitations on locations you can execute files from
<Redragon> as defined by "safe path" compile time option
<Redragon> you can do the basedir thing with php so dont see why they couldn't do that with apache itself
<LeBear> yeah.. I don't like that though
<Redragon> its not enough
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