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<0> the big twirly thing
<1> sinthetek: WTF are you talking about?
<2> The MCP?
<0> i think so
<0> yeah yeah, that' sit
<0> i haven't watched tron since i was like 7, heh
<0> he is on southpark
<0> as the spirit of moses
<2> I don't remember the name of the actor.
<0> demanding macaroni pictures and necklaces from all of the kids at jewbilee
<2> Ah, David Warner.
<0> ok, so check it, i copied my fs to a new drive and booted, but there were a lot of boot errors and upon careful inspection, it looks like some of the dirs weren't completely copied
<0> however i think fs attributes have cause discrepencies in how much room the files are using, too
<0> s/attributes/implementations
<0> what would be a good way to count all of the files recursively or something?
<2> Hm, IMDB doesn't show him on Southpark, but does show him on Billy & Mandy.
<0> heh, i was kinda being facetious
<2> Looks like he does lots of voice acting.
<0> referring to the actual twirly thing itself.... everyone knows matt and trey do all of the voice acting on southpark
<0> mostly
<2> Never seen Southpark.
<2> So no, I wouldn't know that.
<0> oh, my b
<3> yo
<3> someone got asterisk runnin as an awnsering machine?
<0> i setup these crypted volumes and stuff on my system a few months ago
<0> a big intricate combination of various cryptographic fs implementations and layers
<0> and today somehow it got broke
<0> and i lost like a few months worth of misc stuff data and the last week of work i did on my site :\
<4> heh
<0> for some reason the key seemed to just stop working... i think i might have accidentally modified the wrong partition table or something
<0> although as far as i can tell, they are all the same size
<0> i never removed anything from the old fs, just copied it and then modified it
<0> and the setup stopped working way before i even got this other hd to boot and stuff
<0> everything else on the old drive is still mountable...
<5> Hello
<6> hello, all,
<3> yo
<0> shouldn't my cp -R betwixt drives preserved the same permissions and ownership that they had before?
<7> did you -p ?
<8> -R is recusrive
<0> paultwang: nope, heh
<9> how do I set a directory and everything in it from root to group like site chown site dir ?
<8> chown -R
<0> so what exactly determines if permissions will be changed when files are copied?
<0> i thought they only changed if there was a different umask and/or the same user doesn't exist on the new system
<9> yeah thats what happen to me I cp files now I can access the when I login to site only allows me to through root
<8> cp -p does that sinthetek
<8> as paultwang already mentioned
<0> Glombrg: that isn't what i asked.
<0> Glombrg: i am asking how often/when/what causes the files to change permission/ownership
<0> it seems to me they should stay the same unless they conflict with something else on the system
<8> if you do cp -p file /new/path/
<8> it will stay the same
<0> ugh
<0> i know that.
<0> i am asking what causes cp to change the permissions in the first place
<0> why do they change?
<0> what possible reason did the developer who created the filesystem(s) or cp have for making them change permissions on files for no reason?
<0> i can understand automatically making files -s but that's about it
<8> making them symbolic links makes sense?
<8> when you download a file it changes too right?
<8> same idea
<8> cp was around before download
<9> sweet it worked thanks guys
<10> hello??
<11> HI, ssigseg!
<10> Hi, LadyByte
<0> Glombrg: yes, it makes complete sense when you use -R or are copying an entire fs :P
<12> I try to mount a window share with this command mount_smbfs -I ip //user@ip/share /mntpoint on command line and is not working. When i try with the X interface it working... someone have this problem before?
<12> or know why it do that or what is the difference betwing them?
<8> why not use smbmount?
<13> how can i move a file prefixed with '-'? move -File File doesnt work
<0> mv -- file1 file2
<0> mv \-file1 file2 probably would have worked, too
<14> niGhTm4r3: mv -- -File File
<10> I use: mount -t smbfs -o username=x,p***word=y //host/share /mnt/location
<10> works like magic every time
<8> yeah smbmount calls smbfs:)
<0> so does mount_smbfs ;)
<0> for the record, shouldn't be using your p*** on the command line
<15> SSigSeg you can use a credentials file
<15> to store the p***word in a root only readable file
<15> which is only a tiny bit more secure I suppose
<15> Glombrg what do you do for a living?
<16> greetings, trying to learn linux for the first time - i dont want a fully featured distro, something small, simple, bare bones, that will force me to learn the ins and outs :) was thinking linux from scratch -- wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions ?
<0> heh, lfs != simple
<0> if you can make it through the process, you will learn a lot
<0> but it would be pretty overwhelming to a new user to jump to lfs i think
<16> which is what my goal is :D dont want it done for me, need to learn it
<16> got one laptop here i can use to fool around with, my other laptop i'll use to keep a connection to google for help :D
<16> so lfs would be a good place to start
<0> of course you need to learn it, but starting from lfs will likely mean weeks before you have a usable system
<0> since you're starting from scratch and all
<16> i can do weeks :)
<0> however if you think you can make it that long before learning the true marvels of what it can do first, be my guest
<0> well, it wouldn't really take weeks to set one up i don't think if you're just following step by step instructions
<0> but if you are investigating all of the configuration possibilities and stuff rather than just throwing stuff in there, it will still take a while
<16> and during that i, hopefully, will get a better understanding of the internal workings of how it works
<15> cha0tic I really must advise against that
<15> think about learning how to swim.
<15> you don't just dive into the bay of fundy
<15> you start in shallow waters
<16> hm
<15> there is an opposite side of that too
<15> you don't start in a puddle.
<15> When I first 'attempted' to learn Linux
<15> I installed Mandrake
<15> one day I changed my video card
<15> and X-windows wouldn't start
<15> and I was like
<15> 'wtf is this, a console?'
<15> I really believe debian is a good distro to start.
<15> and if you want to learn linux your best bet is to get rid of windows
<15> You'll learn it alot faster
<16> ahh getting rid of windows is not an option sadly, have multiple laptops, one i can use for linux only
<15> lol
<15> wait
<15> your putting this on a notebook?
<16> bad idea ?
<0> how old is it?
<15> lol I think it will take you weeks to get it working with linux from scratch
<15> :P
<16> eh not to old, dell inspiron 2650
<15> what proc and how much ram?
<15> the problem with laptops is that Windows makes it seem like they are just mini desktops
<15> when in fact they take a bit more effort in setting up.
<16> proc is in the 1ghz range, 512 ram
<15> I've probably installed debian 30 times, and never had problems.
<15> I installed it on my notebook finall.
<15> finally
<15> and I'm still getting the kinks out.
<15> don't let me discourage you tho
<15> but I really don't think linux from scratch is the way to go
<0> first distro i really started learning on was rh 5.2 and slackware 7.0
<16> least not on a laptop aparantly
<15> debian, ubuntu, maybe even fedora core.
<0> but i never really learned too much until i got my linmodem working and got rid of windows entirely
<0> after that it was inside of a week i learned the most essential theories and commands
<0> mine was on a laptop
<0> it was just like a year old at the time, too
<0> at first it was a bit of a problem to make the modem work but after i discovered linmodems.org, it wasn't too long before i got it working and deleted my win partition
<15> I started using debian 3 years ago, I finally got X-windows working.
<15> on my desktop last week
<15> I kept trying and trying
<15> and it wouldn't work
<15> so I'd reinstall Debian again
<15> so i could resetup X-windows
<15> then I'd get discourage and not try again for a few months.
<15> but eventually I picked the right options.
<16> hm i suppose i could rebuild my desktop machine
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