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<0> i haven't verified that yet though
<1> Redragon^ synaptic himself or his isp ?
<2> the thing is: mta227.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=ventosus.ubuntuserver.be; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
<2> domainkeys=neutral
<0> hiya Gaia^
<2> so i'm not in the blacklist
<2> right?
<1> synaptic: u r in a cl*** all ur own luv >EG<
<2> i really don't get you.
<0> synaptic i would guess that means you have no domain keys configured
<3> synaptic: X-YahooFilteredBulk tagged your email as spam because of your public IP. It's as simple as that. domainkeys are not involved. your 127.0.0.1 address is not involved.
<0> though i dont think postfix supports this yet
<2> Redragon^: domainkeys? it does.
<2> but it's beta software haha
<0> i think its beta every where
<0> even the sendmail stuff is beta atm i think, and they are working directly with yahoo
<0> which is rather funny since yahoo uses qmail
<4> hah.
<3> another reason to hate yahoo ;b
<0> boy that domainkeys system sure looks easy to fake
<2> i hate yahoo
<5> Redragon^, _verry_ easy to fake
<3> domainkeys is teh ****
<5> no really now
<5> if I add a header with the domain key, doesn't it just work ?!
<3> we just need a totally revamped email system
<5> email^2
<0> even that other system they have running around is better than domain keys
<0> email 2.0 LOL
<3> you mean senderid?
<5> yeah :-D
<5> 2.0
<5> senderid ? what's that?
<0> umm no the other one
<5> wich one ?
<3> SPF?
<0> spf
<5> what's that?
<6> !bugs erp
<3> Znuffy: google :b
<0> !SPF
<6> i heard spf is Sender Policy Framework - http://spf.pobox.com/ - an attempt to reduce spoofed spam emails using DNS TXT records to nominate valid source addresses for emails from a given domain
<5> I refuse
<7> what's the problem that we're trying to fix? spam?
<8> kittenbot: yahoo
<0> i say hunt down the spammers and stump em
<0> in the public square
<3> kittenbot: IhateYahoo's email is being marked as spam because of his public IP (which he just got) being bulklisted by yahoo (X-YahooFilteredBulk)
<8> I hate yahoo
<1> red ????????? WHY publisise them?
<1> Simply stomp em
<3> Gaia^: keeps the natives entertained ;)
<0> stump them in the public square so all can see the punishment for it
<8> ok, i'm going to sleep now. i hate yahoo!
<5> too bad gmail uses domain keys, too :(
<8> bye guys. i hate yahoo.
<0> stumpem is nail their nards to a tree stump and push them over backward
<7> yahoo will probably stop marking stuff from you as spam is you pay yahoo the appropriate consideration fee :P
<8> argh
<8> well what the heck
<8> i'm marking yahoo as rejected too.
<3> yahoo isn't rejecting your mail, only marking it as spam
<5> let's all mark yahoo as spam :P
<8> well i'm rejecting yahoo
<8> night guys.
<9> oh no Gaia^
<10> argh, it doesn't even fit.
<5> add the ! at the end
<9> Znuffy!
<5> uhm ?
<11> bah
<0> 3 failed attempts and iptables blocks for 5 min
<7> Redragon^: How easy is IP address spoofing, anyway? Can anyone use spoofing against your script to lock you out of your box ?
<9> no
<9> spoofing is worthless on tcp
<9> except for filling up the syn queue on a server
<0> it requires 2 way communication, spoofing is 1 way only
<7> well, there used to be sequence number prediction attacks... but I guess they only work against out-dated stacks now...
<7> fair enough
<0> well you can spoof an ip by altering packets going out but its one way since it has the wrong ip it sends the info back to the wrong ip thus preventing a true 2 way conversations
<0> spoofs are mainly dos/ddos attacks these days
<12> eek
<12> !gnuhh
<6> hmm... gnuhh is a FREE as in speech (GPL) web hosting management software package that supports administration and client console and a fully distributed network. Find out more at http://hostingsoftware.net Now released version 2.01 Now with webmail.
<0> oh my its out of date
<0> ladybyte gnuhh =~ s/2.01/2.02/
<6> Redragon^: OK
<12> yes I need to update that
<12> there, done
<12> sup D-side
<0> hiya D-side
<13> yo.
<7> on the spam question -- how about throwing a p***word into the mix? so instead of user@domain, you say p***word@user@domain -- you ignore p***word matching for people that have successfully matched the p***word before, and you make it easy for the account holder to change the p***word (so they can change it on a daily basis, say) -- they may even enable two p***word simultaneously if they wanted...
<12> D-side don't mind that imposter Redragon^
<13> Redragon: i was just about to kick you for impersonation.
<13> then i checked.
<12> :-p
<13> and yes, i immediately knew without even a whois. :)
<14> lol
<0> hehe
<14> lo D-side
<13> hi.
<0> how goes it D-side?
<13> it goes.
<13> it continually goes around and around.
<13> today is outcat's bday
<0> and makes one dizzy...
<12> oh
<14> till you get dizzy and puke
<14> :P
<0> oh cool, HAPPY B-DAY OUTCAT
<12> D-side wish her happy b-day from me
<0> thats in case she isn't close to the screen
<12> I used to have bdays
<14> me too
<14> they stopped at 19
<14> :P
<12> mine stopped at 29
<0> me personally, i'm 21
<7> of course, this scheme requires the mail server to keep track of all successful matches... that's a mini-list per account...
<0> kittenbot the issue of spam isn't an authentication problem with the mail server, relaying can easily be controlled via auth smtp on any modern mta
<0> it is people forging the from address since it is 100% user provided information
<7> I haven't presentation an authentication scheme, I've presented an authorisation one...
<7> (I think :3)
<7> It doesn't solve from-address spoof, of course...
<0> thats what they are trying to do with domainkeys, spf, and the others
<0> by identifying the mail server itself and authenticating it as a mail server for the domain represented
<7> I suppose doing all that is easier than trying to re-educate *millions* of users :>
<0> it can't be something done on a client/user level because then its still easily spoofable
<0> even domain keys is easily spoofable
<15> i'm bored
<7> are you procastinating ?
<16> i'm trying to figure out why my x11 session forwarding works with one server, but not the other
<16> do i need to set something the server that doesn't work?
<0> argg i really need to learn snmp
<16> i have a very basic install of debian 70mb on my server, would that be my problem? i wonder if i need to have x11 installed
<16> i didn't think i do
<0> never done it myself acad, sorry
<16> wow- use linux, and never done it..
<16> i've done it- just a pain in the net every time i got to figure it out
<17> them: You're /that/ bored?
<17> them: Get into the festive season.
<17> them: Build yourself a cross.
<17> !status
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