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<0> Oh well, when you come back.. -- > 20:37:04 up 10:14, 16 users, load average: 150.40, 150.23, 143.39
<1> mine is:
<1> 20:43:48 up 1:50, 2 users, load average: 0.23, 0.14, 0.18
<1> but, I don't know exactly what it means
<2> :) the reason for my line is that, sometime in january this year, a friend of mine was very pleased that his freebsd box could run at load 3.0
<2> and didn't crash
<2> imagine that
<3> 18:47:49 up 19 days, 5:36, 6 users, load average: 0.06, 0.13, 0.15
<2> (during a buildworld)
<1> what is 1:50 is mine ?
<1> I mean
<3> the uptime ;)
<1> what is 1:50 in mine ?
<3> it's up for 1 hour and 50 minutes
<4> damn TKIP
<3> sinds you booted it ;)



<3> since evin
<1> and what is 0.23, 0.14, 0.18 ?
<3> the load
<3> eg cpu / ram usage
<5> hello
<5> anyone here able to offer some ***istance to a windows user looking to try out linux?
<4> .. we can try ..
<1> this is my second day of linux, I'm running it on vmware. I think when I get confortable with it, I am going to replace win2k
<4> go go kirt !
<2> hmm.. I actually like w2k
<2> if it weren't for the high RAM usage I'd still be using cygwin
<5> i have never tried linux but fancy giving it a bash, but i am so confused with all the different versions and names. what should i do? is there a recommended version for a beginner?
<2> oh yeah, and virii
<2> and spyware
<2> and not being able to browse pron sites
<1> Reco1977, do what I did, its the easier way and the fastest way to set it up in a few second. Download vmware from www.vmware.com, the download the ubuntu pre-built VM (I used browser appliance), then mount it on vmware and your linux is up and running in a few seconds
<4> Reco1977, I started with redhat ( curently using fedora )
<4> still stiking to it ..
<4> I like mandriva too ..
<5> kirt: do i need the linux software or does the vmware stuff cover it all?
<1> Reco1977, you need vmware, and then you need to download the VM for ubuntu
<4> kirt, whot !?
<4> LOL !
<4> vmware is just emulating ..
<4> just to wonder around ..
<1> its dead easy, I got it running in a few seconds
<5> at the www.vmware.com site, where is the download?
<1> vmware is not an emulator, the vm is real
<1> its like running the real OS
<4> NO .. it's not real
<4> it emulates !
<4> take a look at the eth ..
<4> sound and stuff ( monitor even )
<1> you give it as much ram/cpu as you want, and the guest os is isolated from the host
<4> don't tell me about vmware .. I use it too
<4> ( I'm using it in linux )
<6> it emulates some hardware because it doesn't want to give direct acces to that, but the apps in it run directly on you cpu
<5> guys? what do i download from vmware?
<4> BOO coekie !
<6> "whaa!" ? :p
<1> Reco1977, I suggest getting the workstation trial, its fully functional for 60 days, then download the ubuntu appliance, thats easy to use for beginners
<6> WHAAA BlackBishop ! (?)
<4> nothing :D
<1> Reco1977, you will have linux running in a few seconds :)
<5> ok, i cannot find the workbench thing, any links?
<1> Reco1977, www.vmware.com
<4> nothing .. just sayin' "BOO !"
<4> you should of got scared and jump on your seat or somethin'
<2> BlackBishop: try "I have your root p***word"
<4> armones, ?
<4> oooowwwww
<4> yeah .. that should work
<4> coekie, .. I HAVE YOUR ROOT P***WORD ! :D bwahahahha
<5> downloading now
<7> hi, someone can help with system users and mysql please?
<1> Reco1977, its takes a while getting used to, but after you tried it, you will like it more than windows :)
<8> turcko, what's your pb
<5> i am confused though.... does this vmware also come with a linux install? how can i use linux thought it if i dont have a linux installation disk
<4> =))



<1> Reco1977, read the website
<4> you have to get some iso's
<5> thought so
<5> sorry not one for reading instructions, lol
<1> in linux, you need to do alot of reading, hehe
<1> but, its very fun
<1> :)
<1> I love it
<9> Reco1977: you do NOT need vmware to run linux
<9> kirt: i would not be telling newbies to put it on vmware...it only complicates things
<10> I disagree, but ok.
<10> VMWare is a good starting point.
<9> danq: no it isn't
<10> Oh, ok. My bad.
<11> cygwin can be another starting point
<1> sabre, its less complicated than using a seperate partition or devoting a whole machine to it
<10> cygwin is alright, too, sure. I use cygwin to run an X server in the background.
<12> vmware owns.
<10> I can then export the display to my box here.
<9> it's not easier than devoting a whole machine to it
<10> If you don't have a whole machine to devote to it, yes, it's a great idea.
<9> so is knoppix
<10> Or not, but ok.
<11> sabre: I would be inclined to say that depends on how familiar a person is with vmware. if they have decent vmware experience, it seems like a reasonble option, but probably not otherwise.
<9> Fiver: and that's what i was saying thankx
<1> vmware is dead easy to use
<9> no sense in throwing another curve to a newb
<11> yeah, might as well start them on xen :)
<1> I wish people who make knoppix would make VMs instead of LiveCDs, its more positive
<5> sabre: i am installing vmware now, would you recommend i stop?
<9> as you were soldier
<9> i am outvoted
<11> I think livecds are a good thing
<9> Reco1977: i just don't want you thinking you NEED it aight?
<11> even for linux users with some experience. it allows you to get a peek at a (new) distro without requiring you to install or change anything on your current system
<5> ok i need some iso's where can i download them from? looking for pure and totall noob linux gui/os/interface (whatever its called) to start on
<9> i totally love knoppix for exposing linux to newbs
<1> Reco1977, I suggets you use this --> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/browserapp.html
<1> thats what I used
<9> Reco1977: i would start here :) http://www.knoppix.net/get.php
<1> suggets = suggest
<1> everything is pre-configured
<1> as soon as I get confortable with ubuntu, I am getting rid of win2k
<1> Reco1977, how much ram do you have ?
<1> I have 2 GB
<5> 4gb
<1> vmware will run like speed lightning for you :)
<5> will i have a problem with sata hdd's?
<1> not at all
<5> i dont have a fdd, will that matter?
<1> the VM is isolated from the host
<1> nope
<5> hmm got an err, one sec
<5> it says no os found. do i need to d/load the iso's?
<1> I suggest you download from http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/browserapp.html
<4> lewl .. that's a new quit message .. ( Write error: Permission denied)
<11> Reco1977: in all honesty, if you're not one for reading instructions/docs, linux may not be for you
<11> unless you're willing to change ;b
<1> hehe
<10> heh
<5> i am willing, just tired atm been working alllll day
<11> ah, well that's excusable. just for today, though. ;)
<13> how can i see last ssh login on a linux box without login ?
<11> what? you can't see anything like that in linux without being logged in
<13> last login user
<13> Last login: Wed Apr 12 18:15:11 2006 from ..................
<11> on a linux box without login <-- I don't understand what you mean by this
<13> this
<13> or /var/log/wtmp
<13> last user logged in
<14> last
<11> lastlog
<13> i want to see him without loging in
<11> you can't


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