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<0> upgrading to fc4
<0> that uses php5 and mysql4
<1> Znuff you done it?
<0> 4-5 times I think
<1> Like have you used redhats upgrade thing?
<1> Znuff Your using that Fedora upgrade thing when you boot from the CD right?
<2> hello i have a question after install whenever i put in a dvd my system hangs, any help?
<0> no, I always use apt-get
<1> huh?
<1> how do I use apt-get to upgrade from FC3 to FC4
<0> ofcourse, I'd always use apt-get if I had acces to the system physically
<0> erm
<0> make that, I'd always use the dvd-rom
<0> TinFury, you add the sources of FC4 to your /etc/apt/sources.list
<0> you apt-get update
<0> and then apt-get dist-upgrade
<0> but don't come to us if it breaks your box
<0> out of 4 upgrades I failed one... so take your chance
<1> K
<1> Failed one meaning?
<1> Like big problems?
<3> apt-get sounds like windows automatic update
<3> if you say the latter real fast
<3> reaaaaaaaal fast
<0> TinFury, like no more rpm
<0> had to copy a rpm installation from another box
<0> took me hours to fix
<3> i tried to convert and rmp2tgz
<3> one time. then i could only login to the system ssh
<4> that kind of crap is part of why I don't use rpm-based distros ^_^
<5> Delwin: what're you using now
<4> Linux metroplex 2.6.15-gentoo-r1-metroplex #1 Sun Feb 5 16:31:15 EST 2006 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
<4> I like debian for simplicity, but I haven't used it in quite awhile now
<4> compiling crap on my desktop machine isn't much of a problem, I upgraded to an (e3-core) athlon64/3500+
<4> I wanted to get an x2, but I didn't quite have the $ in hand ^_^
<6> I want a new computer
<5> heh
<5> Delwin: yeah, I got work to buy an X2 3800+
<5> with 1.5T of disk.
<4> nice
<5> yeah. sad thing is, we may be using it.
<4> they probably spent 3x what they should have on it but hey :P
<1> Znuff: You think I could do the apt-get dist-upgrade over the internet?
<5> Delwin: no they didn't :)
<4> lol ok
<5> Delwin: because I ordered the parts.
<4> ahh, okay.
<4> Good deal :)
<5> it cost about 1/4 of what a similar machine a friend of mine got for his work cost.
<5> but that was a "real" dual proc, with 4G RAM and a 3Ware card, in a 2U case.
<4> well sure, you ordered the parts :p
<4> lol
<4> "real" dual proc
<4> tell me it's not InHell
<5> well, yeah. there's not a whole lot of diff.
<5> no, Opteron 244 I think.
<4> eh.
<4> There is one real diff - more HT lanes available
<4> NUMA is more... distinct... with opterons
<5> yup.
<5> I didn't really care
<5> I don't expect this work machine to last more than 3 years.
<4> but nothing you'd really notice unless you were really pounding both CPU's doing really, -REALLY- memory-intensive stuff :)
<5> dude, linux screws up with memory locality anyhow.
<5> we had some "interesting" issues setting his work machine up.
<4> Yeah, I haven't played with the NUMA stuff much...
<5> so in a way I'm glad it's simpler that way.
<4> I know there are several options that need to be set up differently when you build a kernel for it.
<5> I went cheap on RAM... only got 2G
<5> 2x1G modules.
<4> that's probably plenty though
<5> (decided to get ones with copper heat spreaders... more for ESD protection than anything else)
<5> might throw more RAM in there someday
<4> You got $1g around?
<5> me?
<4> You could put together a hell of a box
<5> ah.
<4> ...hell, you could do pretty well for half that, if you can hobble along on a cheap vidcard for awhile :P
<5> I have 512M in my laptop, and that does pretty well.
<5> the disk is main bottleneck... argh.
<5> work machine's RAID5 -> 250M/sec read
<5> my laptop's HD -> 20M/sec read. gah.
<4> lol
<4> 20's doing decent for a laptop drive
<4> most of them are 4200 rpm
<5> this one is.
<5> yeah about 20M/sec by hdparm's readings.
<5> it's pretty pokey.
<4> lol
<5> oh you know something fun?
<4> damnit, sooner or later I'm gonna make it up to Cincy for a weekend and get on this thing ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Beast_(roller_coaster)
<5> plug a drive with 3 million files on it into a Windows XP box.
<5> watch it choke.
<4> UGH
<5> machine I did that to got -noticeably- slower.
<4> That's foul and disgusting.
<5> hahah
<5> yes it is.
<5> I plan to use NetCDF to remedy the 3 million files problem.
<5> climate data is big, and we have a little bit.
<4> wtf is NetCDF?
<6> heh
<5> Delwin: data format.
<5> and library to access it.
<4> o_O
<5> yeah, weird stuff.
<6> sounds pretty crazy bronaugh
<5> yet another "self describing" data format.
<4> .....
<4> ok
<5> meaning the fields are all named when you creat it.
<4> so it's like a bastardized database
<5> except you don't query it. you just grab big grids of data, or little bits of big grids, out of it.
<5> different purpose.
<4> sounds like a database ^_^
<5> yeah. but different purpose
<5> databases **** at this.
<4> actually it kinda sounds like LDAP
<4> lol
<5> well, it's gridded climate data. so it's not :P
<5> heh
<4> So yeah...
<4> I want to get one of these... http://www.saturn.com/saturn/vehicles/sky/overview.jsp
<4> ...and throw in a little something from Garrett turbochargers...
<5> Delwin: heh.
<5> it's still an American car from GM
<6> and plastic
<6> I should so totaly not be watching this
<4> bronaugh It is, but they actually used a lot of the stuff that was developed for the ecotec in it.
<4> <shrug>
<5> ecotec?
<4> I'll have to drive one around for a day at the very least :)
<5> heh
<4> ecotec currently holds the inline-4 land speed record.
<5> ah.
<5> speed limits obstruct my enjoyment of them.
<4> Yeah, but if the same block will put up with overboosting to get 3,900 lbs of vehicle to 212 mph, you can damned sure beat the living crap out of it in quasi-normal driving :)
<5> hah
<5> I'm pretty satisfied with my low-end acceleration on my bike.
<4> I've got an old SL that's early-on ecotec based. It's got 180k on it and I've beat the hell out of it *DRIVING PIZZAS* (I don't do that anymore, now I'm a noc monkey) and the damned thing runs like a swiss watch.
<5> (yeah, I know, I can only put out like 2 horsepower tops)
<4> lol
<4> oh, what, a scooter?
<5> no, push-bike.
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