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<0> how to be paranoid?
<1> Redb3ard: Nah.
<2> anyone that wasnt in this channel prior to 2000 needs to stfu
<3> Redb3ard: so if i come here to ask help on installing a compiler i'll be called a kiddie. nice,
<4> the way mwilson sees script kiddies in beginners i see a schizophrenic disorder in his paranoia :)
<2> level, compilers are installed when you install linux
<4> could be from pot abuse
<2> why didnt you do it then?
<4> are you a pot abuser, mwilson?
<3> Redb3ard: don't be so sure. i didn't install mine on ubuntu. not by default installation.
<2> or maybe its already installed, but your permissions dont allow you to run it?
<0> who is mwilson ?
<2> ubuntu is not really linux anyway
<3> no, i installed it after i installed the distro.
<3> Redb3ard: what is ubuntu if not linux.
<2> if the default doesnt install a compiler, its not even really an operating system
<1> Redb3ard: You have an interesting definition of "operating system".
<2> the only decent excuse is that you have a tiny embedded system, and you cant spare 50 megs for it
<3> Redb3ard: ubuntu is more a packaging-based distro.
<4> Redb3ard, that is nonesense
<2> no it isnt, the compiler is one of the most important tools for an OS, period
<5> you dont need a compiler by default
<4> exactly
<2> has been that way since the 60s
<0> so what is the conclusion now? ubuntu is bad / good ?
<3> Redb3ard: maybe for you.
<2> anything that doesnt install the compiler by default = bad
<5> er
<0> oh really
<6> so my gf is bad
<6> mm
<3> darkolf: one says it's good, one says it's bad, i like it anyways.
<2> no, not just for me, its something that some windows weeny wouldnt understand though, i suppose
<0> hahaha Niteye bad in bed?
<7> ORLY.
<2> bah!
<5> medic!
<2> no fark here
<6> hehe who knows
<6> i dont have a gf sadly =(
<6> my ex is bad for having dumped me
<3> i'm opening a petition.
<3> heh.
<3> Redb3ard: maybe you're the person that likes to have 0day kernel and lot's of home-made apps.
<2> nah, change my kernel only when i really need it, once a year tops
<3> for you it may be indispensable, for many of other users it isn't.
<2> not so many homemade apps, but yes i tinker
<7> unless it is gentoo, you do not need a compiler by default.
<2> tinkerings not the reason why everyone needs to have the compiler installed though
<3> i prefer packaging because it seems to be more structured..
<3> i have more control over the package ...
<2> you prefer packaging because you dont want to learn how anything goes together
<3> Redb3ard: i prefer packaging, i didn't sayd that i don't use compilers.
<3> big difference there.
<3> s/sayd/said even
<2> fair enough then
<6> i prefer packaging because i have a lot of depencensies problems when compiling
<3> hehe, that happens on ubuntu too, lot's of packages are not exactly present.
<3> and you have lot's of unsatisf deps
<1> level`: Not so.
<2> you know thats funny, some people seem to have dependency issues even with package management
<3> still, i like it for the debian style packagin system.
<1> level`: Ubuntu's repositories are internallly consistent.
<0> still argue?
<3> mwilson: sorry, i wanted to say that lots of packages are not installed by default..
<1> level`: If you bring something in from outside the system, the ***umption is that you're actually competent enough to know what that something will require.
<3> i guess, because it takes a very little to install new packages.
<3> mwilson: you're right there.
<1> level`: Ubuntu has many thousands of packages. Probably 3/4 or them are not installed by default. How does this lead to unsatisfied dependencies?
<3> i mistyped it.. ok ?
<3> i already said that.
<3> damn, you're a lawyer or something? you drive people crazy.
<0> so ubuntu is bad?
<3> darkolf: nobody knows, search the net or something!
<3> google is your friend.
<1> Ubuntu is Debian without the religious mania, but with the addition of the Gnome wet-dream of 1984-style control of how you use your computer.
<3> darkolf: i think that if you would use firefox as a web browser you would have an extension for blocking pron.
<3> heh.
<3> mwilson: still, lot's of people here don't know what is the 1984-style control .. :)
<2> squid proxy is how most people do that
<3> i wasn't even born yet hehe.
<2> there are howtos findable with google
<1> level`: Why would you need to "block" porn? You don't browse porn sites, end of problem.
<2> but im not sure id trust kids not to figure out a way around it
<3> mwilson: it's not me, it's darkolf who has kids ... ( hehe )
<1> <shrug> If you're actually a parent, what's the problem?
<3> that depends on their age.
<0> yes i have 2
<0> going to be 3
<1> If, on the other hand, you expect someone else to raise your kids, like most people in the US, then yes you have a problem.
<0> wow
<3> nice, nmap 4 is out.
<1> What does it do that 3.x does not?
<3> read README.CHANGES or CHANGES damnit.
<1> Yah, I'll get around to that at some point. It's not like I make a large use of 3.x, anyway.
<3> uhm, i'm still wondering why isn't 2.6.15 not in the repos of ubuntu
<8> god damnet :p I can't figure out a thing :p I just can't make my eth0 understand that it shall renew it's IP from the DHCP-server... it is up, but with no IP. and when I'm pulling a dhcpcd, it just disappear. going down again... :/
<8> quite strange
<1> level`: Why should it be?
<0> so what is your question then Andz0r ?
<8> darkolf: hm. how I'm refreshing the IP adress on eth0? :)
<0> ask level` Andz0r he is the expert (ubuntu)
<8> I'm pleased with any working answer actually, from any experts around :)
<3> i'm not an expert hehe.
<0> level`: dont be like that
<0> u are the best for sure
<3> huh ?
<3> i'm just a simple ubuntu user.
<3> no more.
<9> Andz0r: Can you ifconfig eth0 some_static_ip_address, and then ping the dhcp server ?
<9> (What interfaces are there in your system, anyway?)
<8> kittenbot: I've tried to set static too, but couldn't ping anything, and I couldn't be pinged.. :/
<3> Andz0r: what distro?
<9> You sure you're plugged it? There isn't a silly firewall between you and the dhcp server? (Either on your box, the dhcp-server, or some piece of hardware inbetween?)
<10> whats the name of the mp3 pluggin you have to add to get playback in suse?
<8> I've got two ethernet-cards; one 3Com 10 / 100 NIC, and one intergrated on my asus mainboard. I don't know which one is eth0 and 1, and I know for sure that the intergrated one, works. but I've pluged the cable into my 3Com, which I'm supposed to use. and I have actually newly installed linux again after putting it in...
<9> When you plug the network cable into your box, does a corresponding light come on on your hub/switch ?
<3> xmms-mp3 ?
<2> um, what chipset is the onboard one?
<9> hmmm... what's the mac address of eth0 ?
<2> and is the 3com the 3c9 module or what?
<8> kittenbot: it's a clean link between my card and my switch :) both card and switch seem to lighten up, and my router is getting to my other clients on the network
<9> man ifrename
<9> oops
<2> if so, make sure only one module is loaded at bootup
<10> level_, you prefer suse or fedora, :P ?
<3> c13: i prefer ubuntu
<0> :)
<10> i got him too
<3> but if i'd had to chose i'd chose fedora because i've used it before.
<10> dident try it yet
<1> Andz0r: Aren't you the one who wouldn't listen last night when you were told to fix your routing?
<8> Redb3ard: but where do I find which ethernet-modules being loaded at startup?
<9> Andz0r: ifconfig -a, show that you have an eth0 and an eth1 ?
<10> level_, dose ubuntu have an opensource thingy like apt-get
<8> mwilson: hmm. can't remember actually.... what was it about? But I don't think it was me though :s
<3> c13: it is based on debian, it has it.
<10> level`, i mean
<3> yes, a packaging system.
<3> i know :)
<10> anyway im not to impressed with suse 10 mandriva 2006 is better
<8> kittenbot: yes. It shows eth0 and eth1. both without a IP
<9> What are their mac addresses?
<8> kittenbot: sec. i'll go check :)
<10> anyone know which one is more configurable yast in suse 10 or the one with fedora core 4
<3> depends on what you want to configure.
<10> graphic card... and all...
<10> just basic's ..
<8> kittenbot: eth0: 00:0A:E6:D2:F1:F4 -- eth1: 00:0A:5E:60:84:3D
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