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<0> This is the user that works. Notice the by (uid=0) ?? the other 2 don't show that
<1> it makes note of uid=0 because it is root
<1> am I wrong?
<0> right. But the user rainer.rohde is a non root user :)
<1> what is its uid?
<0> 502
<1> mm ok
<0> That's my dilemma. I created those users one after another, and only 502 seems to be able to execute cronjobs ..
<1> well I dont know
<1> I suggest you find another way to check mail
<0> kasparov, well, I stuck the 2 other users' cronjob into the crontab of the user that does work. So this works for now... :)
<1> rrohde, well there you go
<1> :)
<1> as long it works, then all is fine, amI wrong?
<0> right
<0> It's just odd...
<1> I suggest you try this channel at a later hour, when there is more activity, m,aybe you can get answers
<2> what distrobution would you recommend nowadays? its for my laptop... i've tried ubuntu before, but it wasnt quite as userfriendly as hoped, alltho, it worked flawless, i've read some reports about suse, but that costs money now.. (or at least only evaluation version out, but i do not know what limitations it has)
<3> good morning
<1> nenzoaw, use slackware
<2> isnt that more suitable for servers?
<1> nenzoaw, no no its all the same
<2> okay, does it have any package managers?
<2> like aptitude? :) im kinda fresh so i need all the help i can get from such applications :D
<1> nenzoaw, no but why do you need one? get slackware cd 1 it has everything, if you want KDE and GNOME then get slackware cd 2 as well
<1> nenzoaw, you will already have xmms, mozilla, etc.. if you need things like firefox, opera, giFT, then just download them, install yourself, it is not so difficult
<2> i'll give it a try, thanks a lot :)
<3> nenzoaw: if a distribution isn't available freely somehow, then it isn't linux. suse is available for free somehow... or at least a version of it
<1> nenzoaw, welcome :)
<3> nenzoaw: slackware *can* use package management if you want, just install slapt or the slack version of portage
<2> sinthetek: that's what i thought too :) but obviously there is a free version out, but it has some limitations, just do not know why:P maybe its missing some packages which novell has developed?
<1> nenzoaw, I dont recommend anything other than slackware, debian or freebsd
<3> nenzoaw: yeah, it might be missing some proprietary novell software but probably not a big deal
<3> yeah, i've never run suse
<3> just pointing out some faulty information
<2> kasparov: i used slack on my server before (running apache, glftpd and psybnc), recently changed to debian... and im pretty pleased with it! :)
<1> nenzoaw, yes
<3> i run slack, ubuntu, debian and gentoo personally
<3> anyway, good luck
<1> nenzoaw, what do you wanbt to use it for?
<2> i've runned it many years on my server, and now i want to start using it on my workstation... as i actually want to learn, since it will have a advantage later :) when eg. im done education and want a job in IT.. or something ;)
<1> debian mini-install is great, very compact, then you choose what you want to install depending on what you want
<2> kasparov: i want to replace it with my current windows, completly :)
<1> nenzoaw, slackware is great, just get cd 1
<1> nenzoaw, blackbox window manager
<2> i'll give it a shot :) allready downloading :D
<2> is there a net install for slack?
<1> yes I think so
<1> but for that you need to download just two floopeies
<1> floppies
<1> if you download the cd ISO, then you dont need net install anymore, the cd is 700 mb and has everything except for KDE and GNOME
<2> oh, floppies? like my laptop has a floppy drive :D
<2> is blackbox included in cd 1?
<1> debian mini-install cd ISO is just 130 mb or something, iirc
<1> yes, blackbox plus 4 others, but I recommend blackbox
<1> you may like xfce too, it has a windows like status bar
<2> is that included aswell? :)
<1> yes
<2> hehe, prolly have some thing to keep myself busy on a rather boring sunday :P
<1> :)
<2> just one quickie, do you know a ftpclient which supports SSL? never found one, well actually, i did not actually look to hard to be honest :P
<1> slackware has a gftp, but Id ont know if it supports SSL
<1> I would look but I am not in linux atm
<2> i do not think so, i've used that before :P
<1> mm ok then
<1> is it secure shell kind of thing?
<1> LadyByte, SSL?
<2> secure shell? :)
<1> what is a SSL?
<2> ah, its an encryption protocol\type or what they call it ;)
<2> used a lot on FTP's
<1> why do you want it?
<2> because i have some ftp sites that requires me to use it in order to connect...
<1> I see
<1> what kind of things do they offer?
<2> what kind of things does what\who offer? :)
<1> those ftp sites
<2> why do you ask? :)
<1> just wondering
<2> nothing special, just personal files....
<1> sure
<2> :-)
<1> who would want stuff encrypted unless they are terrorists or pedophiles, I wonder
<2> the stuff is not encypted
<2> the protocol is
<1> yeah whatever
<2> and im pretty darn sure im not a pedophile or a terrorist... not 100% sure tho ;-o
<1> thats good to know
<4> kasparov: the right to privacy , you know that ? :)
<1> yes, and I know who would want that
<1> who but criminals
<2> uhm.. the police use it eg. do you think they're pedophiles or terrorists? :)
<4> everybody ?
<2> imo there is no good reason NOT to use encryption
<4> kasparov: yeah, right ...
<1> I think it should be banned, and i think it will
<5> nen: Performance and legal reasons.
<1> just because you want to hide your love ltters to your gay boyfriend, terrorists and pedophiles will get to avoid getting caught
<1> this is utter stupidity
<5> nen: In many jurisdictions, if you lose your keys and Law Enforcement officials want them, you're going to prison indefinitely.
<4> welcome to this fscked up world !
<1> T`aZ, you are naive
<4> kasparov: sure
<4> kasparov: i suppose you dont use https, nor use ssh, just good old telnet, right ?
<1> T`aZ, I dont use https especially, only if yahoo has it sometimes in logins to the mail server... and I never used ssh
<1> T`aZ, I just type in to the browser, sometimes it is https, sometimes not, and I dont really care
<2> everybody has right for privacy
<4> kasparov: you can disable the https login of yahoo , so i suppose you do it , right ?
<4> kasparov: then you are a criminal when you use https , right ?
<2> imagine using bank without encyption... you would be scaaaaameeeddd
<1> nenzoaw, what if among those encrypted messages going back and forth on the internet, there are terrorist plots about an attack to your city?
<2> kasparov: i wouldnt know
<1> T`aZ, yahoo only sometimes hides your p***word, but when your inbox and emails are loaded they are open for anyone to see
<1> nenzoaw, it is all worth the risk for "freedom"?
<6> kasparov: I doubt banning encryption would stop a determined terrorist anyway, it would mostly annoy anyone else, if you really wanted something kept secret you would just have to find another way
<2> there is some things i do not want people to look into, or get their hands on
<2> so yes, i think its worth it
<2> and imo, there is no risk
<7> hi all, anyone here using Debian? i got this strange error during apt-get, "debconf: warning: possible database corruption. etc...." Is there some way that I can repair it?
<2> encyption will allways exist... if they ban a protocol, a new will be invited...
<1> Gathond, thats not an excuse to let criminals freely commit crimes on the internet too
<6> without freedom what is the point, they you are just livving in yet another dictatorship, which is probably what said terrorists want anyway
<4> kasparov: the problem is the following : if you agreed to be fscked up, that your problem, but to not try to impose what you think, because people do not think the same way as you do
<2> kasparov: what if they developed a own language in real life, and spoke it, would that be illegal too?
<1> T`aZ, you are trying to impose on me what you think.. and thats ok?
<2> that's basicly what you're saying
<4> kasparov: and just because you cant find a reason for doing something, doesnt mean there is none
<1> do what you want
<1> good thing your opinion doesnt count
<1> it will all be banned soon
<4> haha , ad hominem
<1> you dont even know what an ad hominem is
<2> what, are you calling US stupid? that's not relevant...
<1> it is very relevant
<4> argue against the ideas , not against the people
<1> yoru stupidity reflects in your argumentsd
<1> your ideas are stupid, because you are stupid
<1> get it?
<2> heh, your the one who went off-topic :)
<4> yeah, we get it
<1> and I am done with you
<2> way to save your dignity my man :)
<3> T`aZ: that is a good quote
<3> is that latin or something?
<1> you are just clueless hippies
<1> you dont understand anything about whats going on in this world
<2> whatever floats your boat
<3> what are you guys debating?
<4> sinthetek: ad hominem is latin yes , but i'm not sure if it's the original :p my memory is not perfect :)
<3> encryption ceriminalization?
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