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<0> I don't have friend .. I have people which I need occasionally .. so I let them think we're friends in case I ever need something from them
<0> -friends
<1> meow - thats how most people feel when they call someone "friend"
<2> i was referring more towards society in general
<1> Personally I abhor the whole paradigm of the "friend" mentallity.
<2> apathy begets apathy just as violence begets violence
<1> How come *** doesn't beget ***?
<1> hehe
<2> too many people have a nasty habit of emulating mostly the worst traits of each other
<2> they remember negative too easily
<1> it's human nature though
<2> which i guess is an ***et from an evolutionary perspective at a certain level
<1> One cannot go against one's nature.
<2> yes one can
<2> ones do it all the time :P



<1> one cannot. at the basest of levels one will never cease to be what one is.
<2> you don't bash in the cashier's face when they accidentally overcharge you, although that might be your first tendacy on a bad day
<0> deep.
<2> you don't steal food from little kids eventhough you're hungry and you want it
<0> well .. no .. but you wait for her to finnish work and then stalk her untill she gets to the dark, empty parking lot and there..
<2> those types of behaviorisms... aggression, competitiveness, etc are all offset by our intellect when necessary
<2> hahah
<1> One may momentarily override one's instinctual response. But one will never remove it from one's self entirely.
<3> can anyone tell me step by step on how to change my ident on a box using .oidentd_conf?
<2> i never said to completely remove it
<2> i just feel you should resist it when it is unwarranted by a specific individual
<4> evening
<2> you can't go around treating everyone like crap and abusing them just because you think the world is evil because some people treated you bad one week
<0> hi
<2> yet everyone seems to want to, which just propagates the cycle
<1> Well, when a cashier overcharges me, my initial response is to pop a cap in his/her ***. But then I fall back to my learned behavior expected and enforced in society to politely inquire about it and hopefully correct the situation.
<0> yep .. just like the need to have ***ual relations with 16 year old chicks .. everyone wants to do it .. but only the very few brave of us actually do it
<1> It doesn't change who I am at the base level though.
<1> I still want to do it.
<1> But I know better cuz then I'll be going to F you up the *** prison.
<1> And where people can get away with it, they will always revert to their base instinctual decisions.
<2> i dunno about that
<2> have you ever beaten anyone up?
<2> i've felt bad for it every time i've done so, whether they instigated the incident or not
<1> I never regretted it in self defense.
<1> And I've never done it on a whim.
<2> i mean, maybe it is a learned behaviorism to feel empathy for someone who is hurting, but it is enough to override my baser instinct to swing on people without necessity
<2> i have never really done it on a whim, per say
<2> but there have been times when someone has taunted me and pushed me for long periods of time until i was ready to snap and get in their face and/or swing on them
<2> and every time i felt bad for them when they had to suffer so much ridicule from other people cuz they got beat down
<2> or when i saw how much damage i did
<2> because when you're in that state of mind and everything is happening so fast, you really don't always know how bad you are hurting them
<2> it's kinda the same thing... except the damage is more gradual
<2> people treat each other like crap and ignore each other all of the time and think it causes negligable harm
<2> but in the long run, it's a lot worse than you might think at the moment
<2> 50k people in a city, doing it to each other on & off throughout their lives... that kind of environment would definately have an impact on anyone
<2> i dunno, people make fun of me for exhibiting altruistic tendacies all of the time
<2> think me crazy or whatever
<2> but that's why i only use linux and hang out in here so much (trying to help other users) and i like to think that in the long run it will have a positive effect on the future of humanity, albeit pretty negligable
<5> I, sometimes, let old people sit in buses. And hold the door open for customers when I go get coffee at work. :-P
<5> That's the limit of my altruistic 'tendencies'.
<2> and that is because i know that no matter how negligable it is, it is making some difference, and the more peple who make such a 'negligable' difference, the better chance our species as a whole has of suriving and prospering
<2> haha
<2> yeah, many people are like that
<1> see I don't see it like that.
<2> to be honest, i didn't always get up for old people when riding public transportation, haha
<1> People could care less if you hold a door open for them.
<2> but that's cuz there were other places to sit, they just wanted to sit near the front
<2> which seems pointless since there was two doors on the bus
<2> yeah, i saw some study or something once
<1> They'll get pissed if their hands are full and you don't. But the off occasion you're nice for no reason and no expectation, people don't care. When it comes down to it people have only one concern. Themselves.
<2> what was that....
<2> i think i saw a news thing or something... anyway, it was talking about how when people hold the door for you, it makes the other person feel obligated to enter the door or hurry up when they wouldn't have otherwise
<1> Anyway, I gotta go car shopping. So I'll talk at ya later.
<2> my experience cashiering begs to differ :P
<2> i got so many compliments and stuff just for smiling and doing simple little things to help out
<2> going out of my way to help people get what they want, being nice and conversational with them in the line
<2> i've had a few people say stuff to my boss cuz i was so nice or whatever
<2> ...of course, that was when i was working into in a smaller, more wealthy town. when i transferred to oakland, all that changed. everyone in the store was so rude (customers and employees) that i quit within a month after i transferred
<2> somewhere..
<2> over the rainbow



<2> way up high
<5> Bleh.
<5> Is there a console tool I can use to download a 2+ GiB file?
<6> aint there patches for wget to handle that?
<5> yeah, but, I'm too lazy to compile :-P
<5> Not even friggin' Konqueror can handle it..
<2> curl?
<5> Nope.
<5> curl: (18) transfer closed with 3253669888 bytes remaining to read
<2> hah, dang
<5> OS error code 18: Invalid cross-device link
<7> Someone forgot a -s?
<2> do you have access to the host you're downloading from? i'm pretty sure scp and sftp can do it
<2> i think
<5> longword: Console tool to download a 2+ GiB file.
<5> sinthetek: A Fedora mirror. :-P
<2> bah!
<5> Hm.
<5> Or, I wonder.
<5> Could be the server...
<2> bittorrent?
<8> rumour has it, bittorrent is a file-by-file peer2peer sharing application. http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/, or see also http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
<5> longword: Can heanet handle 2+GiB files?
<2> maybe you could find a torrent for whatyou're looking for
<2> err
<2> s/looking for/downloading
<5> sinthetek: Nah, HTTP is fine. :-P
<2> FINE
<9> how can i tell what Wireless extension version my kernel is built with?
<2> :P
<10> g'nite
<2> wamty: grep 802 /usr/src/linux/.config?
<5> Hm.
<5> It's the server.
<2> i dunno anything about wireless really
<2> by 'extension' you mean like a, b, f, or g, right?
<2> err... i think there was an f
<2> haha
<5> oh
<5> stupid squid
<9> Any ideas? :/
<2> i just tried to give you one
<2> and you utterly ignored me
<2> :((
<9> no
<9> I didnt
<9> It didnt work :|
<2> what do you mean by 'extension'?
<2> are you talking about protocol support, hardware support... what?
<2> well, whatever. regardless, everything added to your kernel should be in /usr/src/linux/.config
<6> sinthetek afaik the 'wireless extensions' are the interface the drivers provide for the various config tools out there
<2> as should most of your modules unless you downloaded & installed some sort of 3rd party lkm package
<2> tojoe: ahh, you mean like netfilter hooks sorta?
<6> yeah
<2> yeah... no idea on that one
<2> i guess you could look at driver source
<2> see how what interfaces it uses for it
<2> like find the wireless driver for your card and see what it's using... might be better off asking on kerneltrap.org
<2> wamty: are you intending to do some sort of development?
<11> wamty do locate PCMCIA
<11> there should be several text files describing feature of the wireless extensions installed and tell you waht version i think
<9> i have built the 80211 stack and that gave no errors, but when i try to build the rt2x00 modules, i get lots of errors...anyone willing to help me on this one?
<9> the problem is , i dont really know the right questions to ask so need a little prompting guys
<9> when i run make in the directory indicated in the readme, i get several errors related to rt2400pci (but i m not using a pci card - im using a usb one) so can i ignore those errors.
<9> but i dont know if subsquent processes are running correctly
<9> i cant see an rt2500usb.ko so dont know if it is being created
<9> where would i look if it isnt in the same directory that i ran 'make')
<11> another possibility is look in /usr/include/wireless.h
<11> err /usr/include/linux/wireless.h
<9> heh ?
<9> what would you suggest I do dragon?
<2> what is the difference between packagename and packagename-common?
<2> -common comes with config files whereas the the other doesn't?


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