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<0> and a 48 spindal array on that 440.
<1> I'd love another couple v220s
<2> I'd love *a* v220
<0> only 200gig RAID 10 :) rather poor for space and speed. D1000 storage encloursures. Previous Admin/Manager was cheap on the wrong things.
<1> oh, we just have 70G or so of raid1
<1> the data we give a **** about it on the san
<1> it's only the OS on the actual disks
<0> heh, my dev box is a vmware server. 80 gig's split between 2 OSes. one app, one DB. :)
<0> I want a SAN. + vmware esx3 + bunch of AMD64 boxes with gooobs of ram... I can take the 30+ servers in my data center and put them on about 5 or 8..
<1> what irritates me is the (WRONG) ***umption by spending comittees that servers are capital spend
<1> they're not...they're consumables
<0> m***ive storage, 8 4-cpu dual core boxes. .. be done with it
<1> they seem to think a server should last 7-8 years
<2> bwahahahahahahah
<3> mainframe
<1> "but we just gave you 250k last year for hardware"
<2> ewwww VMS
<2> EVIL, KEEP AWAY
<1> "yeah, and you threw so much work at that hardware that it's now struggling like ****"
<1> either give me more hardware, or start losing resilience
<0> smsie, I have hardware that is circa 1998 doing produciton work... some how. :)
<2> print server? doorstop?
<0> some E450's and E250's too.
<0> no oracle!
<1> "oh, and I might mention that you *didn't* give me 200k for hardwarte. You gave me 80k for hardware and 100k or so for consultancy you forced me to buy that I didn't want and nedded even less"
<2> E450s make nice endtables
<1> New0rder: yeah, so have I
<0> that's the truth tamahome
<2> we had a few of those at the hospital I used to work at
<2> and a big E5500 that did the haematology lab stuff
<1> New0rder: the most reliable box I have is a P400 running NT4. I forget that I'm responsible for it at times. It Just ****ing Works. Damn thing never dies
<2> oh wait no, it was an Alpha doing the hemo stuff... I forget what the E5500 was for
<1> New0rder: I have 2 E250s still in production. I want to smash those ****ers with a hammer!
<4> New0rder: I have Dell Dimension XPS300 (P2-300)'s doing production work. :-P
<1> bastard things take up half a rack
<2> but the real motherlode was the IBM S/390 that I had to take care of
<1> 7U each IIRC...and another 5U for the flaky as **** RAID array they use
<0> Tamahome, I had one E250 die. it was running with memory errors for about a year.. Finally oracle got fed up with it and wouldn't stat up. kepted eating memory and I couldn't evne fork a console term... turned it off, never came up. local shope just gave me a E250 cutted. essentially I replace the motherbaord, swapped in CPUs, ram, disks.
<4> oooo, give one to me smsie! Was looking at ebay for them.
<0> stat = stay
<1> CeruleanD: which part of "still in production" did you not read? :P
<4> yeah yeah, details
<1> I'd ****ing LOVE to retire them. Unfortunately I never have the time to migrate the stuff they're doing to the v220s
<1> when I retire them, I'm gonna take a sledge to the ****ing things
<4> hahaha, noooo, I'll pay you to ship one to me, heh
<1> get myself a nice piece of cardboard with a 10cm diameter hole...and break the ****ers up enough I can fit every pice through it
<0> smsie, I had a P3 something runnign my co-lo for 2 years. only seen the box like twice for IDE failures.. ran great.. in fact, the office MP3 server is a gentoo box PIII-800, also runs Gallery2 for the company (150 IT people basicly have access).
<1> CeruleanD: they weigh a ****ing TON!
<4> heh
<4> Yeah, I know. :-/
<4> Probably cost $50+ just to ship
<1> CeruleanD: if I have to unrack one, it takes two people to do it safely
<4> Where are you? I'm not above cross country roadtrips. ;)
<2> NewO: I remember being fascinated with an HP workstation running HP/UX... 11.something I think, that was still useable at console even under 8.0+ load
<1> CeruleanD: dream on. I'm in the UK
<4> Yeah, we used to have bunches of them at NaviSite
<4> Damn!
<1> CeruleanD: cost $500 to ship...at least
<4> Now that's upwards of at least $400 to ship :-;
<4> yeah
<4> Nevermind :(
<1> what the **** would you want one for?
<0> Tamahome. I found an HP workstation, circo 1996 in the garage here.. still boots and runs!, even fired up some X stuff on my desktop from it.
<4> Well, I *am* overdue for a trip to London...
<2> PA-RISC?
<0> yep.
<1> CeruleanD: just buy a table. It'd be cheaper *and* easier
<2> nice!
<4> Well... a job interview today showed me that I'm missing several bits of Solaris technical experience...
<4> many many bits
<0> lol
<2> Solaris is hard to know inside and out
<4> So I'd like a Solaris server (not just an workstation system) of my own.
<1> CeruleanD: so? You don't need an E250 for that. Just run Solaris x86...knock yourself out
<1> NOBODY knows solaris
<0> I know enought to be dangerious.
<2> I remember the bitch of a time I had getting DHCP to work right
<1> you struggle on with it, cursing it all the while
<2> smsie: but once it gets up and running, it seems solid as ****
<0> it's freaking crazy how E250 and E450's and D50000 FC arrays all have their unique way to figure out what freaking drive failed.
<1> the main problem with solaris is they NEVER throw anything away. NEVER!!
<5> smsie: I'm STILL having serial troubles.
<1> there's still **** in there that was designed (and probably made sense) in 1990.
<1> Tamahome: sure. But you can say that about VMS :)
<1> Tamahome: I wouldn't wanna run it
<2> I *HATE* VMS
<0> smsie, NIS.......
<5> Someone downloaded 6/06 for me, so I'll get that tomorrow and install it over the weekend to see if it's an improvement over 1/06
<1> Tamahome: once you get it working, it IS stable as all hell!
<2> has Solaris embraced LDAP yet? or do they still ****er around with NIS?
<5> err, WHAT'S as stable as ...?
<1> Tamahome: you can do LDAP from soplaris. It's not pretty though (it IS solaris, after all)
<4> How do you define "embrased"
<1> Viking667: VMS
<4> Er, embraced
<1> ****, guardian 90 is as stable as it gets
<0> I think they are standard on LDAP... but I'll be going to Centrify for Authentication. yeah, it's AD in the back for auth. but it's rather freaking cool setup
<1> you do NOT want to have to run it in production
<4> I downloaded and installed OpenLDAP from Sunfreeware.com, still trying to figure it out though.
<2> smsie: but... DCL is so icky.
<1> Tamahome: if (!debian) { itsIcky(); }
<2> smsie: *spit*
<1> unfirtunately I can't find anyone willing to pay me embarrasing amounts of cash to run debian...so I live with Solaris
<2> FreeBSD or die
<2> (***uming you have to use X86 ****)
<1> Tamahome: *shrug*. I prefer debian
<1> x86 is ****, but for the cost of a single decent system I can buy 6 of them...and each one will be faster
<2> and running Solaris on X86 is like putting a Hummer H2 engine in a VW Bug
<2> (just don't tell jschwartz that)
<6> Tamahome: not anymore
<1> use centralised storage for data you care about. A server dies, you can stick a new one in, copy the image to it and be back up in half an hour
<0> Tamahome, you need to realize the potential of performance diesel :) the GM 6.0 motor is ****.
<4> Yay! Lion-O is here! Save me from the hate! hehe
<6> Tamahome: It heavily depends on your hardware but when looking at the way it supports intel I can only say that it has been improved a lot.
<1> can't afford to do that with Sun hardware
<6> smsie: granted, its more expensive but you can't compare the two solutions IMO.
<1> Tamahome: sol x86 is poor performance compared to on Sun hardware, yes. It's sufficient for learning about how ****e solaris is though
<1> Lion-O: I think I *can* compare them
<2> Solaris impressed me.
<2> simple minds, I guess.
<6> smsie: Well, then I wonder if you'd ever seen the Solaris variant of this stuff work. I somewhat doubt it.
<6> s/Solaris/Sun/
<0> smsie, then AMD64 boxes are fast tho... un-canny... I have a P4 3ghz HT desktop. And a 2ghz AMD64 box runs circules around it.
<1> Lion-O: a cheapish Sun server...$10k. Comparable (although probably faster) x86 server $1500. Do the math yourself...
<2> NewO: that's because NetBurst is crap now
<1> Tamahome: it's impressive in its stability. That's about all though (IMO)
<4> That's been the way for a long time, New0rder. Although from what I understand the new Intel Core 2 Duo chips are finally beating up AMD's best offerings
<6> smsie: you miss the point. I'm talking about the /full/ setup with centralized storage.
<1> to be completely fair, I have NEVER had a solaris server die on me because the system ****ed up
<2> it's rather ironic that the Core processors are more based on the P3 architecture than the P4
<5> I have.
<1> had problems if the disk fiulls, but that's fair enough
<0> CeruleanD, We'll see. Were standardizng on AMD64. so it's a moot point for me.
<1> Lion-O: the x86 solution is a LOT cheaper, and IMO is comparable
<6> smsie: you'll notice that the demands will become a lot less where security will increase. This will even go double now that ZFS is being rolled out.
<5> If Solaris (x86 on a VIA chipset) can't find its USB, damn thing dies.
<0> I compiled perl 5.8.8 in less then 5 minutes the other day.. I was shocked.
<2> ahhh well </soapbox>
<1> we just bought a T1000
<1> those are very nice
<1> I might see if I can persuade them to buy me another one...or several :)
<6> smsie: *shrug*. I think you're comparing apples and oranges. You can setup the same thing on sparcs but you'll notice that some of the overhead you have now may very well be inneccesary. Granted; the investment is higher, but you'll earn that back when you can cut on man costs when something does go wrong.
<6> s/inneccesary/unneccesary # there goes my typing 8)
<1> Lion-O: I don't see the manpower saving at all.
<2> I'd imagine SPARC boxen run a lot colder than equivalent X86 hardware, so you probably save in A/C cost for your datacenter
<1> Tamahome: well, that's true, yes
<1> Tamahome: they also run a fair bit slower
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