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<0> I know people who drive over a hundred miles each way to work
<1> TenBaseT: comuttable is <=2 hours per dorection. 4 hours/day total
<2> car == status
<2> thus, every drives if they can afford
<1> yeah, I used to do that
<3> smsie: That's not commutable, that's a ****ing annoyance
<0> it's not just car==status
<0> it's !car==hobo
<1> owning a car is not the same as using it every day
<2> TenBaseT: what's hobo?
<0> a bum
<2> ah
<1> if I could be arsed, I could own a car. I *still* wouldn't drive to work every day
<4> ah
<4> LA is 9 million
<1> why the **** would I want to pay for the privilege of sitting in traffic?
<2> smsie: dunno, but it's a popular hobby everywhere
<5> TenBaseT: A friend of mine did a tour of the US on the trains
<6> i have a nice drive to work every day actually
<4> and los angeles county is 2k square miles
<5> TenBaseT: What he told me lines up with what you said - only the poor and the downright weird use the trains :)
<0> hahaha wow. that must have cost a mint
<4> schitzo found hard numbers
<6> you cant sing at the top of your lungs on a bus
<0> oh **** you meant amtrak?
<0> yeah
<5> TenBaseT: Yep :)
<4> lol, yeah
<0> amtrack's clientele is basically 'people not allowed to fly'
<4> trains and busses.
<2> heard Amtrak is less fun than a dentist apointment
<1> if I drove to work, it would take an hour each way...and cost me 25/day to park
<5> TenBaseT: Also, he said that since the freight companies own the network, the p***enger trains always have to wait for the frieght trains, so it's not unusual for a train to be 6 hours late :)
<0> the only thing worse than amtrak is Greyhound
<1> I ride in 20 minutes and it's free to park
<1> why would I drive?
<6> having my own car to drive on the way to work is nice.. i get to pick my nose, fart, sing loudly, without having to disturb anyone on a bus
<0> rhowe: thats exactly correct, yeah
<5> smsie: I walk in 30 :P
<1> rhowe: yeah, but I can't afford to live where you live
<0> the thing you have to remember though is that some train routes are days long
<5> smsie: Hm, well this place is 'only' 845/mo and I think we're paying a little over the odds
<0> 4 or 5 days in some cases.
<7> Comet: short of singing loudly, I doubt you would bother anyone on a train or bus
<5> TenBaseT: Yep, he's done 4 days on a train
<1> in fairness, I can drive from one ond of the UK to the other in a single day...
<4> the checkdown list, both economically and socially is fly->drive->train->bus
<1> a long drive, but it's doable
<0> for those of you living on a tiny little postage stamp, think about the vastness of a 5 day train ride
<5> TenBaseT: I did .hk to Shanghai on a train.. that was 24 hours
<1> TenBaseT: not the point
<1> TenBaseT: it'd be 5 days in a car too
<4> no
<5> TenBaseT: I took a coach to Poland once too - that was 48 hours
<4> it'd be 1/2 in a car
<4> er one to two is what I meant
<0> the train doesnt stop at night
<1> your train network is ****ed then...fix it
<4> you can get across the country in about two days in a car if you push it
<1> the train SHOULD be significantly faster than a car
<4> our rail system's pretty damned good
<1> it doesn't have to stop for a start
<4> but we use it for freight
<6> siglite: yep.. buddy of mine did it in nearly 3 days almost nonstop except for gas and food
<3> siglite: What's the widest distance, west to east of the US?
<4> I think from san-diego to maine is something like 1200mi
<8> a long way
<6> sacramento, to ocean city maryland, where i live, is 3028miles
<1> is that all?!
<3> Lessee, that's like 2500km, no?
<8> siglite: No, it's more than that...
<4> maybe I'm way off.
<3> That's easily done on 2 days
<1> siglite: that should be like 10-12 hours on a train!
<6> 3028miles.. there's a sign
<5> TenBaseT: I've got a book here about someone who rode a bike (not a motorbike - a real bike) from England to Shanghai, doing a circuit of India on the way
<1> siglite: we have trains that do 120-140mph. I see no reason you guys couldn't have
<5> TenBaseT: That was a pretty hefty journey :)
<1> 3028. I'd say that's 20-24 hours then
<6> yes, being that we practically invented train travel, we do have plenty of tracks
<4> Arriving at: Bangor, ME Save Address
<3> smsie: Hmm, that's pushing it
<4> Distance: 2.9 miles Approximate Travel Time: hours 1 min Get Reverse Directions
<1> siglite: if a train ride on that distance takes 5 days, your rail network is ****ed :)
<5> smsie: It probably is 12h if you're a crate :)
<5> smsie: People don't exactly get priority rail p***es in the US, from what I understand :)
<6> Trains here are not used practically.. they are used for luxury
<0> smsie: trains only go about 50-60mph here
<6> they will take a long time, and serve you food
<1> TenBaseT: why?
<3> Depends on the kind of wheels, fitness and obstacles though
<4> 3272 miles from the center of san diego to the center of bangor maine
<0> smsie: because we use the same tracks as the freight system.
<3> But damn, maybe we should organize a #linux US drivethrough :)
<5> TenBaseT: I can get from London to Manchester in 2 1/4 hours on a train.. that's about 180-200miles, I think
<3> Nice week out on the road
<1> TenBaseT: so? So do we
<0> your freight trains do 120mph?
<1> rhowe: 170ish
<1> TenBaseT: no. Why would they?
<0> because they're sharing track with p***enger trains
<5> TenBaseT: Nah, but they make sure that they don't get in the way
<5> TenBaseT: P***ing places, probably
<4> smsie: if they had to go 1100 miles to get to thier destination without slowing down p***enger trains behind them, they might need to do 120
<9> http://www.jeremygaddis.com/gallery2/v/aug2526/100_0753.JPG.html
<1> TenBaseT: sure. And when a p***enger train needs to go by, the freight tran moves over and waits for it to p***
<10> of course, the real answer is why dont the p***enger trains go 120 ;)
<11> command erase psql in the shell?
<4> smsie: see, here, the reverse is true
<5> RelDrgn: That'd get in the way of freight :)
<1> siglite: it is now, yes. It doesn;t have to be though
<6> people just don't use trains for practical traveling purposes here.. they use a Bus or a Plane.. trains are like total luxury
<3> Comet-: They're a last resort here :)
<5> PolarWolf: haha
<0> yes it does, because the freight companies own the track
<1> I can get from here to Edinburgh in about 4 hours. It's a good 8 hour drive
<5> PolarWolf: You use them to get from Schipol to Amsterdam :P
<6> i dont even think i know anyone that has been on a train in the past 20 years
<1> I'd be insane to drive it
<3> By car, I'm in amsterdam in just over an hour. It takes me 2.5 hours by train.
<10> here in the US they're more like the bastard stepchild of transportation
<4> Splderman: please rephrase your gibberish in the form of a question.
<3> Of course I can't get anywhere *in* amsterdam due to traffic, but hey
<0> the US rail infrastructure (the tracks, and land, etc) is owned by the freight companies so their trains get priority
<1> TenBaseT: that's a commercial problem, not one of geography
<4> smsie: it's more demand driven than anything else.
<3> TenBaseT: State owns the actual rail here
<5> TenBaseT: heh, you don't want to know what the ownership arrangement is with the UK rail network
<1> TenBaseT: you guys are claiming that the reason you need to drive everywhere is because of geography. I'm sayig that's bull****
<5> TenBaseT: It's insane
<3> Which is better, IMO
<3> They should do the same with the cable infrastructure
<0> smsie: you're making 2 seperate bad arguments
<4> smsie: if people traveled and paid for p***enger train rides a *lot* more than they do, things would start to reverse..
<0> should I take the train to the grocery store?
<6> we dont have busses and trains that go everywhere
<1> TenBaseT: I didn't suggest that
<6> its that simple
<8> heh, I can walk to the grocery store
<12> ok. RHEL AS 4 .. anyone know how to install 32-bit libararies?
<1> TenBaseT: taking the train to work is reasonable
<6> people don't like living in cities here either.. so there's that
<0> schitzo: yeah look for anything with -compat in the package name
<3> schitzo: apt-get install...oh :)
<8> schitzo: rpm -ivh ;)
<6> small suburns DONT have public transportation at all
<0> smsie: not if the train doesnt come by your place.
<1> Comet-: that's not a geography problem. It's not my fault if you don't have good infrastructure
<11> command erase psql in the shell?
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