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<0> oil statistics?
<1> rofl
<1> hmm... anyone tested asp/asp.net on apache?
<1> afaik there was some support for that... but I have no ideea how well it works...
<2> http://www.apache-asp.org/
<1> smsie: I know that... just wondered if someone actually tested it...
<2> http://www.mono-project.com/ASP.NET
<3> Gday, i need help with a router if anyone knows much about flashing one under frigging windows
<2> **** no...I don't use asp
<1> spiderj: well... you should find that info on the vendor's site...
<3> rofl
<3> it's one of those cheapie ones
<3> i've found a couple of homebrew solutions to flash it
<3> although that requires dos for some reason ?
<3> so, i need someway to flash it using either windows or a linux live cd
<1> hmm... use a bootdisk
<3> ah, the bootdisk is dos
<3> but the bootdisk doesn't seem to have any support for my usb ports
<3> which are required for the flash software
<3> and if i spend another day on windows at this speed i will kill something
<3> are there any windows/linux based *universal?* flashing apps?
<1> smsie: hmm... some $clients want hosting for an asp/asp.net app and mssql backend, I wondered if it could be done with linux hence we DON'T have any windows server here :)
<3> i have the firmware, and a live disc to do it under linux, or a bit of patience to do it under windows
<1> for the asp part there may be a solution out there with apache-asp... but I dunno about mssql
<1> spiderj: so in this case... why don't you do it under linux then?
<3> yes, is that possible?
<1> not 100% sure... but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work... just google around to find what you need to get it flashed
<2> Xeon: not with mssql backend :)
<2> Xeon: if they need windows stuff, run it on windows. You'll have a world of pain otherwise in my experience
<2> Xeon: if asp/.net is as bloody hindering awkward on apache as I have found php+mysql to be on IIS...
<1> heh... ok... I'll follow your advice then...
<1> anyway... they don't seem to like the ideea of their application running on a linux server... the problem is they want hosting... but they don't want to invest into m$ server or mssql licences...
<4> Xeon: Catch 22
<2> there isn't a shortage of server farms to use
<1> eh? :)
<2> there must be a bazillion places out there who will host windows sites on windows server
<1> smsie: that I know, but there is a shortage of $clients... ;)
<4> Xeon: They don't want linux, and don't want to pay for the stuff they do want. Catch 22.
<1> oh...
<2> Xeon: if they HAVE to have asp, run it on windows...anything else is a support nightmare and you'll wind up losing money on those clients IMO
<2> you can afford to lose $clients you are losing money on
<1> yes... you're right I think... but it would have been interesting research to run micro$oft apps on linux ;)
<2> well, have a try
<4> Xeon: It's been done. It's not worth it.
<2> but before uyou sell it, be damn sure that you are happy to stand behind it
<2> it's going to be cheaper to buy the licenses
<2> one of the cases where TCO *is* lower with windows
<2> of course, it's lower still i you don't need asp/.net :)
<4> Xeon: Lets just say that as a client I would have serious qualms about choosing a hosting provider who wants to run an application designed for Windows on a different OS
<1> I have to investigate a bit... afaik we're subscribed to some micro$oft ****ty program where we recived some licences... maybe mssql is amongst them...
<4> Xeon: As a client, I'd find a hosting provider with a more healthy level of common sense
<1> PW: if it works... do you need to know what's behind the wheels? ;)
<4> Xeon: Yes
<4> Xeon: I'm a picky customer :)
<1> heh... :P
<2> Xeon: if it were me, I'd tell them "sorry, we're not tooled up for that. We can offer you an *excellent* deal on a linux solution with php+postgres/mysql, or we recommend that you go talk to $OTHER_SUPPLIER who will be able to fulfil your needs in this area"
<1> usually customers don't care what makes it work as long as it works well
<2> Xeon: might even be possible to be a $OTHER_SUPPLIER reseller, then you don't lose $clients
<4> Xeon: I too have to sell the solution to *my* clients. I depend on it. I don't want to pay for a hackjob where my business depends on.
<2> even if you're not making money from THIS, they're still coming to you
<1> smsie: well... right now the competition is killing us... so we have to nail every possible customer, of course without performance drawbacks... so the client will be satisfied with the services
<2> Xeon: then get a windows server
<4> Xeon: If the competition is killing you, you're in the wrong market or too expensive, or have ****y service
<2> Xeon: one server should be able to deal with the needs of multiple clients
<1> PW: service is good... but building our own internet infrastructure is a very expensive thing back in .ro... so we have to use transport services from other companies
<1> smsie: yes... that's true
<4> Xeon: Are you really willing to bend yourself backwards to cather to a client who'll cost you more money and effort than it's worth?
<4> Xeon: You're in no different position than any other random cohosting reseller
<1> PW: no no... that we won't do... if there's no profit... there's no deal. Thing is that $competition HAS done some **** like that... just to gain the market...
<4> Xeon: Unless you're AT&T, Worldcom or whoever, you'll always be reselling something
<4> Xeon: Consider whether it's a market you want to be in
<4> I wouldn't
<5> mmhmm
<4> I'd rather go bust than to offer clients evil hackjobs
<5> What PolarWolf says
<4> Xeon: You're both fooling yourself and your client
<4> fredk: Hey
<1> PW: not my decision anyway... $boss makes decisions like that... I just have to think up with a solution that works for the $customer... and have to keep $customer satisfied with it
<4> fredk: Everything still going peachy in the datacenter?
<4> Xeon: Aaah, so now we're in the territory of professional ethics :)
<5> PolarWolf, for now :P Doing some trickering with powerrails later.
<4> Xeon: Are you willing to build an inferior solution for that client because your boss is a ruthless ***hole who only goes for market share?
<1> PW: no... if the solution is ****y... we won't do it.
<4> Xeon: Remember that's you who will get the **** dumped on when you make the wrong call here
<1> PW: heh... I'm well aware of that... ;)
<4> fredk: Whoo :)
<4> Xeon: Make it easy on yourself. Get a windows box.
<4> Xeon: You can ask Fred what it'll cost :)
<2> Xeon: make it even easier...don't get a windows box...find someone who already specialises in windows box stuff and resell their services
<4> Xeon: Besides, with doing so you can expand your market to people who look for windows hosting
<5> What are we talking about anyway? lol
<2> Xeon: that way, you make maybe a tiny bit of profit, and carry virtually none of the h***le
<4> That works too
<2> fredk: Xeon was wondering about running asp/.net/mssql stuff on Linux...we are advising against it
<1> I like better the ideea of expanding the provided services...
<4> fredk: Choice between getting a windows box to host an ASP/MSSQL application. or do a hackjob to get it going on linux
<2> Xeon: as long as you are happy that your skillbase is going to be able to cope, fine
<5> oh, i'd go windows no doubt
<4> fredk: Aye
<1> smsie: it can't be that much h***le to host some asp/asp.net and mssql on a windows server...
<5> it's easy
<1> that's what I thought...
<5> keeping it stable however ;)
<2> Xeon: it's not...as long as you have the skills for it. If all your people are unix/linux and have no real windows experience though, it might be a problem
<1> dunno about bugs and exploits on windos tought...
<1> s/windos/windows
<6> well, paypal is flakey at times... First they forced their Dutch language on me (which resulted to limited functionality due to bugs), now they asked me to fill out a questionaire but... Whenever I select "other" and write up a sentence it tells me that I didn't select all needed options :P
<5> less than bugs and exploits in php on unix ;)
<6> And ofcourse /all/ of this is in Dutch while my complaint originally was that they forced Dutch onto me which I didn't need when dealing with an international site.
<6> oh well
<1> anyway... a good backup will always take care of possible breakins... ;)
<7> Ebay seems also flakey not to either accept firefox nor hotmail addresses.. or if that's just a feature.. *sigh*
<2> yuck
<2> Bjprn-: I think that's a good thing as far as it goes
<2> well, hotmail addresses anwyay
<6> I agree about hotmail.
<6> if you want to do trading it'd be nicer to use something a little less anonymously.
<6> ah, ph00d is ready.
<7> Learnt that Gmail is much good either..
<2> they're banning gmail?
<2> I use gmail for ebay/paypal and it never minded before
<7> No, gmail ****s
<5> maybe they had issues?
<2> I find it quite decent myself
<7> Yeah, it's still beta of course
<5> what ****s about gmail? (never used it)
<2> gmail will be beta forever :)
<7> buggy as a whole.. the UI isnt all too good
<8> eternal beta, yay.
<2> I founbd the UI pretty decent personally
<8> Debian suffers from that disease too
<5> Bjprn-, in which browser though?
<7> fredk: any
<2> works fine for me in firefox
<1> hmm... I like gmail... seems the best free e-mail service...
<5> Bjprn-, NCSA Mosaic too?
<7> fredk: Who knows... it prob does.
<2> I can even read gmail from my mobile
<5> :)
<9> The new Yahoo! Mail beta rocks.
<9> Works a lot like KMail.
<5> hmm, doesnt yahoo generally ****?
<9> fredk: depends on who you ask. I happen to like it
<5> fair enough
<9> fredk: when I'm on the road, I have mail to my domain forwarded to my yahoo! account, so I can get to it from anywhere. I subscribe to the Yahoo Mail Plus service which allows me to use Yahoo Mail to send mail out as coming from my domain. And I get 2GB of storage. Beats setting up webmail on my system at home, especially if my net connection goes down while I'm away.
<9> yo, Steakk
<5> Ka-bar, doesnt that circumvent things as SPF though? :)
<10> alo ka-bar
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