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<0> how can they do that? I thought all linux distributions had to be free.
<1> although I believe individual rpms are redistributable and iirc almost all GPLled
<1> you aren't paying for the distro - you are paying for the installer and patch management
<0> it just feels wrong how much trouble this is.
<2> So don't use RHEL.
<3> Taranli: So go install Debian or something else instead.
<1> Taranli: so don' t use RHEL. its a commercial distro, sold with support; in fact, its the support you are buying (you can get a 30 day trial free to get RHEL without support)
<3> Then it's as easy as "apt-get install gcc".
<0> unfortuantely its too late for that. This is a business server which has been live for more than a year
<1> Taranli: then that's fine - they must have a redhat network login; use that to get the discs
<2> if you really need rhel style package management, there's centos and fedora
<1> or for that matter - they probably got media with the package, ask them to look it out and mount cd 3 (or the dvd)
<0> their subscription is expired. I think I will have then renew it.
<0> yeah, that is the other option dave.
<2> also, if the subscription's expired you haven't been getting updates, which is *BAD*.
<1> zetawoof: not terrible, but not good either. depends on how exposed the box is
<1> been at least one major kernel alert in the last month or so
<0> its not that exposed, but you're right I should definitely get it renewed and updated.
<2> DaveHowe: Two rather big ones in the past week or two. My biggest concern, though, is that for them to have not noticed that it wasn't getting updates, either they never set up auto-updating or they aren't getting notified when it fails. Either way it means it's mismanaged
<1> ***uming they even had it set to update - they may be running it vanilla from the install cd
<1> zetawoof: I think those were just escallations though not remote 'sploits. like I say, it depends on how the machine is used
<0> it was updated for a year, until the subscription expired. I don't know if its set to automatically update.
<0> afk a bit while I take care of this.
<1> lke the old joke about the guy who couldn't install his Zone Alarm because he hadn't got a tcp/ip stack installed...
<4> Oh damn, maybe that's why I can't get Zone Alarm to work...
<1> marcus swears its true - he had just seen the big sticker "makes your pc secure!" and bought it - he wasn't on the internet or on a lan...
<5> Taranli: or get CentOS.
<1> I find it interesting that the openxchange server novell are now pushing is based on debian, not suse
<5> indeed
<6> hello
<5> DaveHowe: however it is a logical choice IMO when looking back at, say, Netware.
<6> i have a problem with mrtg: is it possible to make an hourly graph instead of a daily graph ?
<5> thomthom: ofcourse it is.
<1> I thought that mrtg defaulted to three graphs - at different levels of detail?
<6> Lion-O: how should i do ? there is nothing in configuration files for this
<5> thomthom: actually there is. It helps to read that fine manual, and take note at what DaveHowe just said.
<5> s/note at/note of/
<6> thanks
<6> i types mrtg hourly graph in google... nothing :(
<7> hey
<7> any knoppix users here?
<5> thomthom: well, its just a matter of configuring it.
<6> i ve downloaded sample config files
<6> where is the official documentation ? nothing in man mrtg
<5> thomthom: I thought you knew how to google?
<1> SluttyGuy: not sure if you *can* be a knoppix user. once you install it, its debian :)
<1> thomthom: http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/doc
<5> Oddity. I used google to re-confirm my ideas and found http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/linux/docs/uniqlinuxfeatures/mrtg/ within a minute. All I did was looking for "mrtg linux".
<5> also known as reading the ****ing manual.
<8> i'd just use cacti.
<8> because i'm a lazy bastard
<7> ah i guess so, but basically in my case, my windows xp was currupt, so i used knoppix to save some files on my harddrive, but now, instead of reformatting, ive been staying on knoppix cuz its so cool
<6> thanks
<5> its been a while since I last touched mrtg but from what I read all it needs is changing the crontab interval.
<7> the only drawback, i wanna open exes!!
<5> SluttyGuy: 1) Stop shouting. 2) Don't be stupid.
<1> SluttyGuy: windows exes run on windows. you want to run them, go back and fix your windows
<1> SluttyGuy: or run winpe :)
<5> Open .exe files? Start an editor, load the file, done.
<1> keep meaning to try cacti - it looks cool
<4> that sounds familiar, what does it do?
<1> CeruleanD: pretty much the same thing as mrtg - but more flexable
<9> cacti is just a fancy wrapper for rrd the next great thing above mrtg
<9> or does mrtg use rrd underneath too?
<10> mrtg can use rrd
<9> ok then ignore me
<10> i use mrtg with rrdtool backend here
<10> i graph all sorts of great stuff
<6> i saw unscaled option, but it only takes y/m/d and not hourly :(
<5> schitzo: everyone knows that what people /really/ want is java 8)
<11> How do I copy an incoming message to another mailbox folder but also keep it
<11> in the inbox?
<9> Lion-O: I could use a cup
<10> you can do unscaled on all graphs
<1> I need to spend some time on this stuff RSN - have a job coming up where I will need to accept and intepret netflow data
<3> NowWhat: ...
<9> NowWhat: carefully
<11> using procmail
<5> NowWhat: depends. RTFM comes to mind.
<6> bhab: width which option ?
<11> Lion-O: good suggestion. i have.
<5> NowWhat: it doesn't show.
<9> NowWhat: want to spy on your boyfriends email?
<11> schitzo: no your mom's!
<3> I don't believe NowWhat can read schitzo's mom's email. He'd have to be admin @1337milfs.com and he ain't that!
<3> Hmm. Is having your boss saying, "I can't wait for the day I get to say "you're fired" to you and mean it" a bad thing? heh
<5> yeah, he did some heavy reading indeed.
<12> Falchion: Could be bad, but I suspect he is a friendly guy and you spend half your workday pushing his buttons repeatedly ;)
<9> It's hard to be as smart as you though Lion-O
<5> schitzo: Hmm. Well, I guess it is difficult to check the 'procmail' manpage and see a reference to the procmailrc manpage.
<5> s/see/spot/
<3> wlfshmn: Damn, you're good! :)
<12> Falchion: Or maybe I've been exposed to you long enough ;)
<3> hehehe If you were, my condolences.
<12> Falchion: atleast I'm an ocean away, look at Ka-bar, he met you in person, and look how he ended up
<3> wlfshmn: Bull****. He was as ****ed up before me started working with me as he is now. Don't place thta blame on me, blame genetics or radiation or whatever else caused Ka-bar to be Ka-bar :P
<3> before he
<5> Ka-bar is your boss?
<5> then I guess it explains it 8)
<3> No, former co-worker :P
<3> heh
<3> If it were Ka-bar, I'd yank off his mustache :P
<12> Falchion: I prefere my revisionist history
<7> can someone explain to me how to load an exe in knoppix
<5> SluttyGuy: I already did.
<3> wlfshmn: Yeah, never let truth and logic get int he way of a good argument, I always say! :)
<12> SluttyGuy: You don't.
<7> what do you mean by editor?
<5> SluttyGuy: just that.
<12> Falchion: Indeed
<3> SluttyGuy: Look, .exe files are for windows. It's like trying to use forks and knives in your printer instead of paper.
<12> Falchion: Facts tend to be inconvenient
<7> ah okay
<7> makes sense
<3> wlfshmn: And embarr***ing :)
<7> sorry for being such a newb
<13> hahahahaha....
<1> Falchion: I take it we don't tell him about Wine then? :)
<7> but ive only used knoppix just to salvage my harddrive files
<3> DaveHowe: heh you **** :P
<1> Falchion: he is using knoppix. knoppix doesn't HAVE wine - so it can't hurt to tell him :)
<3> Ka-bar: heh Shaddap or I'm gonna yank off that catepillar under your nose.
<3> DaveHowe: heh fair enough
<3> Ka-bar: BTW, if you need any to be picked up, let me know. 1/2 for $110 so it's cheap and it's good.
<12> Falchion: This is why I keep my facial hari to a length where it can't easily be grabbed ;)
<7> how much do you guys make a year?
<1> SluttyGuy: about half what we are worth :)
<3> SluttyGuy: More than enough.
<3> wlfshmn: hehe
<1> SluttyGuy: there is a program a real linux distro has called "wine" which can run about 70% of exes
<7> i agree, computer technitions dont get creditbilty for their hard work and studing
<12> SluttyGuy: or twice, in Falchion's case, apparently
<1> SluttyGuy: unfortunately for you - knoppix doesn't have that
<3> SluttyGuy: Who says we're computer technicians?
<7> oh cool ill check out wine
<3> wlfshmn: heh :)
<7> oh ah :P
<7> knoppix does not have wine built in, fair enough
<1> but if you had a REAL distro - you could have used that :)
<7> well i dont mr howe
<7> :p\
<1> its really very good
<1> in some cases noticably faster than windows
<5> knoppix is bad. it eats your kebab.
<7> im more the science kinda guy, i take chemistry, physics in university
<13> oh... a wannabe science guy
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