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<0> and this is why /var belongs on its own filesystem
<0> or /pr0n
<1> or give away a gig of swap space?
<2> Apostate: You fail at computers. Go back to learning how to garden instead.
<2> TenBaseT: Agreed on both counts ;)
<3> Tron, that was a gratuitous insult
<2> Apostate: Oh really?
<3> I'm a noob, not an idiot.
<4> /pr0n should _always_ be an nfs share and it should always be available on a public ip address ;)
<0> This is a gratuitous 'me telling you to foad'
<2> Apostate: Well here's a lesson for you - next time you set up Linux on a 40Gb hard drive, give it more room to breathe in.
<2> I bet you installed all the GUI stuff, all the docs, probably a web server hiding in there somewhere too.
<2> ANd an email server.
<1> Apostate: There is probably some way you can wangle and wriggle to get a few megs free space, but the fundamental problem is that you dont have the amount of space required by the operating system, and the solution therefore is to install more disk space...
<3> i had no choice. my other partition is 32GB in size. and it's ntfs. there's importnat data on that.
<1> that gives you 8gb
<1> a 512mb swap will be enough
<3> and no, i didn't install a crapload of packages, and i deleted all i could
<4> apostate: get a used drive, or even a new one, they're not _that_ expensive.
<4> apostate: a base distro carries a lot of packages these days
<1> Apostate: Why did you allocate 4gb to swap space?
<2> Haha! No, 4Gb to swap?
<3> but why will no-one answer the following: the partition is 3563484k, the used space is 3495724k, that makes a difference of 67760k. Why is free space still 0?
<3> said difference increases everytime i delete a package, but free space still 0
<4> 23:49 loply: is a certain percentage reserved for root?
<4> 23:54 Lion-O: Apostate: there is also a bit of reserved space.
<4> 00:08 exel: apostate: no the filesystem reserves some space for root only.
<1> Apostate: There are numerous possible reasons
<3> how would i find that out
<3> ?
<5> Apostate, hint "minfree"
<4> 23:51 whyzzyrd: Apostate: man e2fstune
<4> 23:54 whyzzyrd: Apostate: I told you to man e2fstune.
<6> Is there any way to take a pre existing system, with one large partition, and repartition it so you have /home/, /tmp/ etc... on different partitions, and does anyone know of a good text on how to do it, and what's a good partition scheme i.e. how many bytes minimum for /home, or /tmp, etc?
<4> 00:00 whyzzyrd: Apostate: try tune2fs then
<1> Apostate: Nobody designed the filesystem to be particularly descriptive or accurate about where its last few megs are going, they ***umed people would just have lots of free space....
<7> duplex_, it would seem to me that may vary per your shell
<3> so does that reserved space dynamically expand to take up all available space everytime i delete a package?
<1> As people have said, it could be unaccounted for meta-data, blocks reserved for root, files which are deleted but not freed yet, or a dozen other things
<4> apostate: no
<6> wormhole: The way you distribute the filesystem among partitions varies per your shell?
<5> a lot of unix-type filesystems also implement the concept of a minimum amount of free space, typically 10%. You'll see 0 space left when the amount of free space goes below 10%
<8> dselect shows that I have a package called "linux-image-2.6.14-2-686", but apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.14-2-686 reports that it's not installed. Does anyone have a hint for me?
<4> apostate: but since you install packages as root, the packages you just deleted were already in the realm of 'disk space reserved for user root only'
<8> I have this issue on two systems.
<5> duplex_, wtf are you talking about?
<7> duplex_, right on....there are many partion programs in windows that can copy paste to different partitions ect...
<7> but you have no guarantee the linux os will have the same temp folder
<3> exel: so basically i'm f**ed?
<9> wormhole: that made no sense what so ever.
<4> apostate: the '0' you see as free is the amount of disk space available _excluding_ the reserved space, that's why it's remaining at 0 currently even while you remove packages.
<2> I'm trying to ignore the stupidity in here but I'm failing.
<4> apostate: only after you have cleared up enough space to gain back all the 'reserved for root' space will that 0 go up and will you see any space available for users.
<1> Tron: PEBCAK
<2> wormhole: Shut. The. ****. Up.
<4> apostate: I would advise you to reinstall, but this time use less space for swap and more space for the system.
<9> duplex_: that cannot be done, simple/
<2> wormhole: Do not /msg me either.
<1> Apostate: You need to find lots of big files, and delete them
<6> Lion-O: Thank you.
<3> thanks exel, you actually gave a useful, prrofessional answer.
<3> ignore the way i spelt that, it's 2 am
<3> XD
<4> it's 0:30 here, it's not like I'm noticing :)
<1> Apostate: This is no kind of activity for a man at 2am, get to bed!
<9> duplex_: what you *can* do is backup on filesystem level (tar), then set things up (different partitions) and restore on filesystem level.
<3> anyway i can convert my 32gb partition from NTFS to ext2/3 without losing the data?
<6> Lion-O: Do you know of any documentation that would ***ist in this endeavor?
<4> apostate: I'm afraid not.
<1> Apostate: Most certainly not =)
<9> doh. so it can be done Lion-O ? you're just talking **** again in the first place? /* I blame wormhole ! ;-)
<3> save a backup hdd of course
<1> Apostate: Copy the data off that partition, format it as ext3, then copy the data back... even if a converter did exist, I wouldnt trust it one bit.
<5> convert ntfs to ext2/3? Are you smoking crack?
<9> duplex_: none. apart from the tar manpage on how to backup/restore your system.
<1> Ka-bar: Such a thing could exist
<6> Lion-O: Alright. Thanks.
<3> Ka-Bar: No, i've been using windoze all my life, my brain is damaged
<1> Ka-bar: Partition Magic will convert almost any partition to any other kind, but only by utilising additional diskspace to move the files into, so its not really a "conversion" perse
<5> loply, in theory, yes, such a thing *could* exist. But it doesn't and would be incredibly dangerous in any case.
<9> duplex_: do note that my 'none' doesn't mean there are none available ;) I just don't recall them at this moment.
<1> its more of a backup-reformat-restore procedure
<1> automated.
<6> Lion-O: I understand. Thanks for your help.
<5> loply, of course, you can't convert a filesystem "in place".
<1> yeah
<1> anyway, bed for me gents
<6> Lion-O: Because wormhole, like you said, was making no sense.
<3> someone mentioned /var using its own filesystem earlier back. can you tell me more about that?
<2> If you had a few Gigs of free space on the NTFS partition, you could resize the NTFS partition then gradually move/copy data from there to a Linux paritition, resize, move/copy, rinse,repeat, but that's terribly convoluted and probably slower than backing up all the data to DVD then copying it back to a Linux partition.
<6> Apostate: From what I understand it's usually a good idea to divide certain directories among different partitions. There actually are a couple of reasons for it, but in particular you can mount certain ones with certain options, like readonly, etc... Personally I've never done it because I was afraid I would have given some partition not enough space than what I needed.
<3> do you know why i ask? because apt mentioned this while i was trying to install something:
<3> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/
<2> Apostate: THat's because your /var is contained within your root partition, which is full.
<5> on my system, I have /, /boot /home, /usr, and /var on different filesystems, spread across multiple disks. Actually, /home has a disk all to itself. This way, I can upgrade the OS and not touch any of my /home files.
<6> Ka-bar: Do you know of a good document which specifies what's the minimum amount of space for each partition if you set it up in that manner?
<2> Okay, slightly large paste time...
<2> /dev/hda2 250M 181M 57M 77% /
<2> tmpfs 125M 0 125M 0% /dev/shm
<2> /dev/hda9 9.7G 3.6G 5.7G 39% /home
<2> /dev/hda8 361M 8.1M 334M 3% /tmp
<2> /dev/hda5 4.6G 3.8G 637M 86% /usr
<2> /dev/hda6 2.8G 188M 2.5G 7% /var
<2> Apostate: That's how I've set up my laptop's drive.
<6> Tron: Thanks, I'm going to save that =D.
<2> Apostate: Notice that the root partition, / , doesn't have to be particularly large (it's large enough for /boot , which could have had it's own paritition too but it's residing withing the root partition.
<3> thanks. how do i ***ign a directory to a certain partirtion? do i just mount it there?
<2> Apostate: /usr has to be quite large, because a lot of the software packages installed on your system reside in /usr.
<4> apostate: your installer should have a nice interface for doing that
<10> hey guys
<11> Tron
<12> Tron: **** I have over 100G in /usr/src
<11> exel, cheeksy
<4> apostate: other than that, it is taken care of in /etc/fstab, which is used by the system init as an argument to the mount command
<2> Apostate: And I made /var quite sizeable too, a that's where apt downloads new packages to.
<4> hi nanuq
<2> Nanuq
<10> does anybody know how to repartition a usb drive (catty. ide-usb) using fdisk?
<2> JackStorm: Yeah well this is a laptop.
<13> JackStorm :o)
<3> do apt and yum do the same thing? and if so, why would i use one over the other?
<11> Tron: how's the tooth?
<13> JackStorm: im going to Siberia tomorrow :o/
<2> Nanuq: Tooth?
<2> Nanuq: Ah you are making a small mistake - Google for "Pilonidal abcess" :)
<10> does anybody know how to repartition a usb drive (catty. ide-usb) using fdisk?
<12> cheeksy: bring firewood with you
<11> Tron: yeah I was wondering when I caught a bit mentioning a boil on yer arse
<4> apostate: apt comes with debian, yum with most redhat-deriviates.
<11> Tron: wondering htf it migrated down there
<2> Nanuq: If only it was a boil.
<2> Nanuq: You can get an abcess in lots of places on your body.
<2> Nanuq: Abcess != only in mouth.
<11> Tron: yeah yeah
<2> Nanuq: No no I've not fin ished annoying you yet :P
<11> Tron: ****, I had one of those a while back
<11> Tron: never thought anything of it. cleared up and s'been good since.
<2> Nanuq: You had a **** a while back? 0.o :P
<11> Tron: Yeah earlier today./
<2> Nanuq: Heheh
<2> Nanuq: The thing about pilonidal abcesses, is that they usually recur.
<11> Tron: mine was just below my coccyx
<2> Nanuq: Left hand side?
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