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<0> whyzzyrd: eheh..fun.
<1> the number is smaller!
<2> Revenger: You want an 8540? I'll send you one.
<3> whyzzyrd: Would you believe me if I told you that we have a redundant set of 65xx's for 1000 users?
<4> set def [.omgvmssux]
<4> why did you have to remind me of vms, Tamahome_
<5> What would be the optimal methodology to manage source code via CVS?
<1> whyzzyrd: as doorstop?
<0> Cynic: *EXPLETIVES DELETED*
<4> hah
<4> stop/queue VMS_CONVERSATION
<2> Revenger: They're amazingly mad. They take ethernet packets in the front, put em in ATM cells, across the backplane, back onto the line cards, back out the cells, and back out the ethernet port.
<6> vshadow, books have been written on that topic
<7> vshadow: depends on too many factors.
<2> PolarWolf: a spare set? or a redundant setup of 65xx's for 1000 user workstations?
<3> whyzzyrd: The latter
<2> PolarWolf: depending on the sup options, they make very very fine closet switches.
<8> there are two schools of thought: Any OS that has a microfortnight is cool; any OS which has a microfortnight is evil. Take your pick
<3> I mean, you can run half the ****ing internet on one of those things
<0> microfortnight?
<2> PolarWolf: No. Not a hope in hell.
<9> PolarWolf: that's a seriously large amount of pron there...
<2> PolarWolf: They have to process switch FAR FAR too much of the traffic.
<3> whyzzyrd: So I'm exaggerating ;)
<8> Tamahome_: a millionth of a fortnight. Look it up in the jargon file
<0> naah, too lazy
<3> whyzzyrd: We're much overscaled for what we do, lets keep it at that :)
<8> Tamahome_: it's a little over a second (1.2ish I think)
<2> PolarWolf: They're nice bits of kit but.
<8> Tamahome_: the VMS scheduler used to use it as a unit of time
<0> ah
<2> PolarWolf: so are we really. I run a 10G core, and 1G edge connections, for an average load of about 100M.
<1> 8540 MSR?
<3> whyzzyrd: Cool!
<0> I never went that deep, I was revulsed enough by the applications on it
<2> Revenger: CSR
<8> Tamahome_: oh, not the scheduler, excuse me. It was for a timeout
<3> whyzzyrd: I'm scaling our environment to 10G too
<2> PolarWolf: our peak load however...
<3> whyzzyrd: I don't see a reason not to
<9> its 10G. what's not to drool over ? :)
<10> okay, price went up to $30 for a 37" TV w/o a remote...decent price I'd say, yea?
<8> Tamahome_: yeah, you're obviously of the "evil" school :)
<2> PolarWolf: It's cheaper to run 10G than gigachannel 4G out of 8-pair of fibre.
<0> unless the TV is broken, in which case it's not work a dollar
<0> s/work/worth
<0> OK, I lie down now
<8> Steakk: can you play Doom on it?
<3> whyzzyrd: I'm not a network admin, I just drop a design on the desk tomorrow and tell them "given the constraints, this is what I'd build"
<8> if you can't play Doom on it, what's the point
<9> smsie: or better yet - can you use doom to *admin* it?
<8> at POL we had a scope that you could play Doom on...THAT was mucho cool :)
<3> whyzzyrd: Which is basically a lot of fluff and vapour as I have zero experience in designing large scale environments
<6> The "ZKO" campus in Nashua, NH, where a lot of the VMS development was done, had a small pond out back. Somebody put up a sign at the edge of the water labelled "Non-paged Pool". There were *lots* of bad geek jokes in DEC.
<8> very nice scope too
<11> Doom 64-bit Linux Server
<8> logical analyser with 48 inputs
<3> I guess I can pretend well, as everyone seems to keep listening to me
<10> smsie: prolly so :)
<10> I hope it has an SVIDEO imput
<10> input*
<3> schitzo's story on RAC bugs me though
<8> worth a ****ing *fortune*. It was one of the things we bought when our manager aske us to help him out and spend a lot of cash quickly :)
<3> smsie: Ah, we have that too, once a year or so :P
<3> smsie: Hence we now have two HP EVA 8000's we have no purpose for yet
<8> PolarWolf: yeah. He "discovered" some money he hadn't realised we had to spend...about a week before year-end.
<1> most people just do not have the balls to design a solution costing more than their salary for a decade.
<2> Revenger: I do it quite regularly.
<2> Revenger: Sometimes things just need money spent on em, and it gives us something we need.
<8> Revenger: most people aren't me. I design solutions costing that for normal times :)
<3> Revenger: Pah, "cost" is at the bottom of my constraints list.
<3> Revenger: It's easier to reach high
<2> Revenger: our 6513 core cost a *lot* of cash, but we wanted to dual-connect every building at 1G. We have >130 buildings
<8> Revenger: if I spend the money now, I won't have to spend it again in two years time...and every time I have to rebuild ****, it costs me a LOT of developer time...
<1> whyzzyrd: then you need clued staff.
<8> it's probably easier to find the money for toys than clued staff
<2> Revenger: Why do we need clued staff?
<3> I still think I should have gotten the quad opteron box instead of the dual xeons
<2> PolarWolf: no **** sherlock.
<8> PolarWolf: get those too
<3> $organisation isn't ready for that though
<3> Not yet
<8> not like it's your money
<1> just wait a few years
<8> although I *know* work are gonna **** when I tell them we need two new laptops
<3> My definitive solution consists of quad socket/dual core opteron blades though
<2> Revenger: I was asked to make the network to departments resilient over a router failure.
<1> then the xeons make up for a nice doorstop
<9> where tf do you find clued staff? its not like you don't get 9999 MCSEs applying for jobs and maybe 1 real guy who applies - ***uming the HR department don't bin his CV for lack of an MCSE...
<8> and then hit them with the specification...
<12> DaveHowe: thats why you have temp employees
<1> do not diss them msce's..
<1> i am one.
<8> Revenger: why, they make you look good? :)
<12> DaveHowe: and going by clued friends might be a good idea :P
<3> Oh, wait...I got MS certs too
<8> Revenger: ewww
<2> Revenger: There's no much option but to connect them to more than 1 router. And with the distances involved, LX GE is about the only way. There's no point me spending a pile of cash on 100FX now..
<1> eww all you will.
<13> What is the command that i can type in the address bar in firefox to disable or enable functions on firefox?
<8> I can almost feel myself becoming stupider, just from proximity
<8> Revenger: was it like a tattoo? You did it for a bet?
<1> smsie: thank you very much.
<8> I have no certs...from anyone
<12> Im not ashamed of that
<8> maybe I should get some
<8> they're just a waste of time and money though
<3> smsie: And yet you get paid more! Foo!
<12> Knowing your way around MS-land is usually handy as well :P
<8> PolarWolf: I'm *worth* more!
<1> whatever. snoretime.
<3> smsie: Hah!
<14> PolarWolf: He's worth more under the desk than above it.
<12> smsie: as far as contagious goes... Im a MCT. Microsoft Certified Trainer :P
<8> Jostein: I didn't say I didn't know my way around MS land (I can work it out when I need to. Why the **** do I need a cert to be able to do that?)
<12> smsie: true.
<8> synapsis: if you find me under your desk, be afraid. Be VERY afraid!
<3> I've been bull****ting my way through this job for four and a half years now
<12> smsie: but even though there are probably more MS certified morons than clued people, it -does- mean youve at least tried to obtain som ebasic knowledge :P
<8> PolarWolf: yeah, I know the feeling
<15> heh. I've been confused by exactly where to FIND some MS stuff.
<14> Viking667: That's not a good sign.
<15> Especially when I've only really got Home to deal with.
<3> Viking667: Try the Microsoft site :P
<3> Viking667: You can download trial versions of everything they have right from there
<15> PolarWolf: yeah, I know that NOW... but they don't exactly state what msconfig should be used for.
<15> PolarWolf: not really meaning that.
<8> Jostein: umm, I see MCP/MCSE as being akin to ECDL. They certify **** that you ought to know ANYWAY. They're a BASE set of skills that ANY applicant should have. I don't aska neurosurgeon to show me his first aid badge
<15> I was more meaning how to do some stuff I take for granted on Linux that I can't quite do the same way on Windows.
<8> Viking667: that's because often you can't. What stuff exactly?
<15> or EmmEssConfig
<3> Viking667: That's because you can't do that stuff on windows, generally :)
<15> smsie/polarwolf: yeesh
<8> DaveHowe: remember the UF strip about the MSN logo being a bug? :)
<16> any Java weenies ever use JGroups?
<12> smsie: Believe me. Ive seen the morons you refer to. But being certified means that you -should- know how to work around those quirks MS has every here and there
<9> smsie: yeah.
<12> smsie: but it doesnt cure general stupidity in any way. thats a shame
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