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<0> Jostein: You could probably grab some external tool for making applications a desklet.
<1> Cynic i would like to upgrade from gd to gd2 ( it is a support for php)...without reinstaling php and apache...
<2> ThomasM: Havent really looked into it. never seemed like something Id do with a window with widgets :P
<3> schitzo: Interesting. More interesting is that our choice of platform isn't mentioned anywhere :)
<3> schitzo: (think HPUX)
<4> PolarWolf: Heh. Hmmm.
<3> schitzo: I think I'll lay low with this information though, how much I appreciate it.
<3> schitzo: I'm not too popular as it is :)
<4> PolarWolf: keep it in the back pocket until you need it eh?
<3> schitzo: I dunno yet. I want to prevent us to make big*** mistakes.
<3> schitzo: Costly ones at that
<3> schitzo: But I'm kinda known by now as "Mr. Sceptic". Especially regarding the whole HPUX/ia64 thing.
<3> schitzo: And if I also start to bitch about something I'm not even supposed to know anything about...
<5> Omega16: i don't see why you'd need to..as long as you have GD support already compiled into PHP, you can just install the GD2 package? *shrug* To be honest, I don't use package management as much as I could. Also, read Lion-O's comment re: RH9 and PHP.
<6> wasn't the whole reason Itanium was created so that HP could dump PA-RISC? I know the chip factories aren't making them anymore
<7> PolarWolf: One gets unpopular trying to prevent mistakes happening.
<8> heh
<3> whyzzyrd: Aye
<4> PolarWolf: gah, who decided to use HPUX?
<3> whyzzyrd: At least I managed to start the discussion over ia64
<8> whyzzyrd only in a bad work environment
<3> schitzo: Some mangler
<7> f3ew: There are good work environments? Where stupidity is not tolerated? And decisions are made in an open manner?
<3> schitzo: Apparently it's some standard we have to adhere to unless it's really inconvenient
<3> I say it's really inconvenient already, but hey
<5> whyzzyrd: its.waikato.ac.nz fits that description pretty well... to bad i don't work there anymore :P
<5> s/to/too/
<3> Basically, the entire team agrees that probably the best solution will be to keep running the databases on OpenVMS, and put eBS (basically IAS) on a bunch of x86_64 lin00ks boxen
<9> LOL! "oh sorry, when you said flowers I thought you meant cattle prod. its really embarr***ing the way I get those two mixed up"
<6> VMS, EVIL!
<6> EVIL EVIL EVIL
<7> Cynic: pity that's a bloody hike from here.
<0> Jostein: Looks like the vertical split in screen is finally being actively hacked. Couple of threads on http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.comp.gnu.screen.user
<5> Omega16: don't /msg me please
<3> Tamahome_: Oh hush. It works, and there's the inhouse knowledge for it.
<5> Omega16: keep questions in channel
<6> EVIL!
<2> ThomasM: w00
<10> "it works"?
<2> ThomasM: about time. even though I must admit screens code has aged quite well
<5> Tamahome_: i used to be a VMS op once up on a time
<6> Cynic: I used to have to run backups on a VMS box when I was at the hospital
<11> sweet
<3> It works, damnit! And OpenVMS has stuff in it which hasn
<0> Jostein: Lots of complications in it, though. I can understand why they've left it out this far. It's actually just some lone guy that's poking around figuring out what **** does, rather than one of the core developers.
<3> 't been reimplemented in any other OS
<11> I might be getting a nearly mint condition, 37" tv today, for $20
<3> Most notably, clustering
<11> only thing it needs is a remote, and I have about 40 universal remotes lyin around here
<5> Tamahome_: i was mainly admining print queues and mail, the backups were largely automated
<5> i was a tape monkey in those days, too
<12> VMS does, indeed, do some things very nicely
<5> Ka-bar: once it's up, it STAYS up.
<5> but it's still a dog.
<6> I hated the DCL command prompt
<1> Cynic so this is my question: how can i upgrade without recompiling apache and php ?
<10> whyzzyrd: that's not news, it's normal
<10> there are VERY few good admins
<3> whyzzyrd: Kick all the bad admins out, and hire one or two good ones for the same total amount of money?
<9> Omega16: apt-get update?
<13> hire me. i fly over anytime.
<7> PolarWolf: Love to.
<2> ThomasM: oh. I guess I'll wait then
<7> PolarWolf: but it's impossible.
<5> Omega16: not my area of expertise, but if you read http://altlinux.org/index.php?module=sisyphus&package=php-gd2 it seems like it's not necessary
<3> whyzzyrd: Politicis?
<14> Omega16: Install fedora instead of RH9. Once again: RH9 has been obsoleted for over a year now.
<5> Tamahome_: set/queue/startaks jf;klefe aARGH
<3> err, Politics?
<6> Cynic: STOP, you'll give me nightmares
<3> Lion-O: 's been longer than that, innit?
<0> Jostein: You could patch it yourself at this point, but judging by the dates on the posts, there'll be a full patch soon, and then maybe after a few quarters, if it's good, it'll be put in the upstream.
<14> PolarWolf: *nod*
<14> PolarWolf: makes you wonder indeed <shrug>
<2> ThomasM: I see. Since Im not officially the admin of this box, I think I'll refrain from using my sudo rights :P
<3> whyzzyrd: Asked Sun for a trial of that newfangled Niagara box yet?
<7> PolarWolf: that and we seem incapable of getting people to leave.
<6> Cynic: most of that job involved being a tape monkey for a mainframe though... big IBM S/390
<3> whyzzyrd: If you're lucky you get to keep it
<7> PolarWolf: No, I'd love to try one but.
<3> whyzzyrd: Just fill out the form!
<1> Cynic rpm -i php-gd2-4.4.2-alt0.cvs20051121.1.src.rpm
<1> warning: php-gd2-4.4.2-alt0.cvs20051121.1.src.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 68e31e54
<1> warning: user legion does not exist - using root
<3> whyzzyrd: Nothing to lose, if you don't like it, they come pick it up again
<0> Jostein: You could always just install it local to your homedir, but I'm not trying to convince you. I'm not doing anything with it yet, either.
<12> heh
<5> thanks, whoever that was ;) (re: kick)
<5> i was getting sick of the priv msgs too
<2> ThomasM: yeah. Im not going to mess up something as important as my irssi sessions :P
<14> Omega16: now kindly take this nonsense somewhere else.
<15> can anyone help wish local network??
<9> yep
<15> suse 10.0
<1> i just asked for help....
<3> whyzzyrd: Getting people to leave can be indeed troublesome. You just need a strong mangler with stone balls.
<15> i see computers by ip
<9> there you go Aldan
<15> but can't see the whole workgroup
<4> Aldan: I wish I was a local network, I wish I was a local network, I wish I was a local network
<4> Aldan: did that work?
<5> Aldan: http://tldp.org
<3> whyzzyrd: One which is able to say "shape up or find yourself excused" and has the clout to enforce it
<6> schitzo: LOL!
<15> :)
<5> schitzo: haha
<1> i can see that is easy for you to kick/ban others, than helping them
<14> Omega16: and I already told you twice what the problem was yet you kept ignoring it. Your distribution is ancient, you cannot update that stuff.
<5> Omega16: that's right, it's a single alias. duh.
<16> Omega16: shut up!
<5> easiest == bestest.
<14> Omega16: RH has stopped supporting that distro for more than 2 years ago the least.
<16> Omega16: is this a help channel? did you ever read the FAQ?
<7> PolarWolf: I can't see us getting a mangler like that. When we did get one, he ended up getting the boot, but for other reasons.
<6> I'mma go lie down for a bit
<3> whyzzyrd: I seem to have one of those manglers now.
<9> yoz, this has been known to be a help channel on occasion, if approached politely and with clue. most of the time its a lack-of-help-while-taking-the-piss channel, which is much more fun
<12> Omega16, this is not a help channel. You want #linuxhelp
<3> whyzzyrd: It's nice to have someone with iron cojones. And he likes me :)
<16> DaveHowe: I know.
<7> PolarWolf: Depends if you get on with them or not.
<14> bah, I totally forgot the syntax to add a screen alias :P
<12> Omega16, either that or you want an icepick in the ear. So, which is it?
<1> and theere what shall i find? alti cretini
<9> yoz: I know you know. I was making the point to the Luser there :)
<16> DaveHowe: I just cand stand people whining that they don't get helped but kicked.. I wonder why.
<16> s/cand/can't
<3> whyzzyrd: He recognises the people who do the work and who are the disturbing factors.
<16> DaveHowe: *nod* ;)
<2> We should have a official web-based channel log
<2> so people can go reread their stuff there :P
<9> LOL! "money can clearly buy you happiness - eg, donald trump. However, money cannot clearly buy you more hair - again, see donald trump"
<7> PolarWolf: I didn't get on with the above mangler. He thought I was an "anarchist" because I was the network manager, and kept telling him that we couldn't possibly just go and upgrade 12000 edge ports without a huge pile of cash.
<3> whyzzyrd: Hah, fun
<16> heh
<7> PolarWolf: no. no fun.
<6> Rent ****s.
<3> whyzzyrd: It was sarcasm :)
<11> Tamahome_: I havent seen it, lemme make my own judgements
<7> PolarWolf: He wouldn't believe that upgrading our core from 8540's to 6513s needed doing before we upgraded the edge kit, else we'd have nothing but 100M ports to connect the nice shiny edge to in the core..
<7> PolarWolf: He got both 3com and Cisco in. We had to go above his head to stop him buying us a 3com core.
<13> but but
<13> thats a downgrade!
<6> whyzzyrd: eheh..fun.
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