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<0> hehe
<1> smsie: new box?
<2> Nanuq: nah, I'm just browsing
<2> probably won't buy
<1> smsie: looking to build something myself, can't decide between AMD and Intel.
<2> I really don't need a new box
<1> smsie: which normally wouldn't be a decision.. Intel
<1> smsie: but the AMD solution is quite at par, and much cheaper
<2> yeah, they trade back and forth a lot in power
<2> see what Intel comes up with next
<1> wait for Core 2 to come down in price
<3> somehow i do not like inhell machines anymore.
<3> do not ask me why, tho.
<1> smsie: one advantage to AMD is the fact that regardless of the board, it'll do ECC
<0> smsie: the new Core processors from intel seem rather kick-*** though
<2> CPU stopped being the deciding thing for me a while ago anyway
<0> err.. Nanuq
<1> smsie: with Intel, I need to stick to ATX
<2> they all idle at the same speed
<2> FSB is important, speed of RAM, speed of disk...
<0> I probably havent followed anything on the HW since I bought my P4
<0> and that time I was surprised I needed a P4-specific PSU
<0> so I wasn't really paying attention back then either :P
<1> smsie: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811108015
<3> i know that my athlon64x2 4200+ is fast enough for me, so :P
<1> if the 35W 3800+s come down in price..
<0> My 2.4GHz P4 does what I need it to well enough
<2> my 2.9 celery works for the moment
<2> when it doesn't, I'll upgrade
<0> except for MPEG4 encoding... and I dont really do that all that often
<2> other than that, unless I see something very very ***y or very very cheap, I'll not bother
<0> same here. maybe Im getting old, but I cant be bothered to invest in new hardware because the current setup "works"
<0> back in the days I would "omg! thats fast! me want!"
<2> oh, I still "me want". I just don't buy :)
<0> heh
<0> what I -do- want is a full 1920x1080p res 42" HDTV
<1> I want something solid, even though this box seems okay
<0> but for full res you need to pay up some insane amounts of cash
<0> especially considering I cant get 1080i/p content legally any time soon :P
<0> Nanuq: if you put BSD on it, it is solid by default!
<1> Jostein: this box runs XP
<0> oh. oh well. so does my main desktop
<1> I really need to get my dual pIII working
<1> that'd be solid enough for me
<0> I dont have any dual-core machines. would be nifty though
<0> but, like I said, can't be bothered to buy anything new :P
<4> damn it... anyone here has an ideea on why the heck certain features (like choosing a wallpaper or changing the splash screen) don't work as root in ubuntu 6.06?
<4> it's driving me crazy...
<0> I thought ubuntu didn't "have" root?
<0> only sudo
<4> Jostein: not default... no
<2> why are you running as root?
<2> don't do it
<2> it's a Bad Idea
<2> and that's why lots of crap won't work as root
<4> smsie: usually yes... but I'm used to it and been running as root for a couple of years...
<3> tsk tsk tsk
<4> didn't screwed anything yet 8)
<2> Xeon: so you've been an idiot for a long time. Colour me surprised
<0> well. ubuntu wasn't intended to be run as root, so thats probably why things dont work
<2> you've been a *lucky* idiot for a long time...
<2> just don't run as root
<2> it's not needful, ever
<0> nope
<4> smsie: I don't really understand why running as root is a bad thing as long as you're carefull enough...
<0> having to enter the root p***word when you run synaptic is about it :P
<4> *snif*
<2> Xeon: why have to be careful enough?
<2> Jostein: sudo!
<0> heh
<0> smsie: "but configuring sudo is so haaaaard" >:)
<2> there isn't even a root p***word by default on ubuntu IIRC
<1> omg, why do I find Borat funny?
<2> Jostein: Ubuntu, it's *already* configured
<4> smsie: no, it's a locked account
<2> Jostein: you ahve to work to *enable* the root account on ubuntu...
<1> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6707939030164122017
<2> Xeon: just run as a normal user...stuff will work then
<2> unless you ahve a good reason not to?
<4> think I will... it's not such a pain in the as compared to fix things to run as root...
<0> smsie: I know. it was sarcasm
<1> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2813437597661828199
<0> w00t. we converted a root infadel :P
<4> smsie: anyway, if a member of the admin group CAN enable the root account and run things with root priviledges using sudo, I don't really see any security issues here...
<1> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8478678283756633587
<1> haha
<5> Isa there a difference between rlogin and ssh connection ?
<2> Xeon: your lack of sight is plain to me, yes
<2> Fladimir: ssh is encrypted, rlogin isn't
<5> ok
<4> smsie: I've opened the subject because I don't think I have enough info on the subject to make a correct ***umption, and because I was hopeing you could enlighten me a bit
<2> Xeon: because running as root for everything means that any securioty issue immediately gives an atacker root privileges. It's too easy to screw up as root for everything. Why take the chance when you don't have to?
<0> If you get compromised as a ordinary user, all you have to do to secure your system is wipe that account and start over
<0> if you get compromised as root... well, time for a complete reinstall
<0> major difference IMO
<2> I'd say if you get comprimised period, time for a reinstall. But there's an argument to be made for your way I guess
<4> Jostein: yes, but my point was that if someone compromised your admin account it's like he'd compromised the root account... or am I missing something?
<2> Xeon: yes. Comprimising the account does NOT mean the p***word is comprimised (usually isn't)
<6> smsie: Not going to the notting hill carnival?
<2> rhowe: wasn't planning on it
<1> Russ
<4> hmm... I'm confused now, I thought that if someone compromised $user, then he could easily change $user's p***word... (as sudo doesn't ask for the root p***word, but for the $user's p***word)
<7> Xeon: They often don't have the users p***word
<8> Xeon: ***uming the compromise gave him $USER's p***word - most don't
<2> Xeon: you can only easily change a users p***word if you already know the users p***word
<0> *nod*
<2> Xeon: just trust uis: Don't run as root for everything
<0> Xeon: unless you configured that away too :P
<2> Jostein: you can't configure that away without recompiling p***wd :)
<4> Jostein: erm... no I didn't :)
<4> and I'm not intending to :P
<7> Xeon: Your p***word is 'god' isn't it?
<8> first rule of security is minimum priviledge
<4> Pizbit: of course
<0> DaveHowe: second rule of security is you do not talk about p***words!
<7> Jostein: Bullocks
<7> mine is countersink
<7> Yours?
<4> smsie: I was going to follow your advice, but I was trying to get some insight on it ;)
<0> gotrootzomg
<7> w00t
<8> Jostein: nah. second rule is compartmenalization :)
<7> DaveHowe: That's easy, use wireless. That way you're not connected to the internet
<2> haha
<2> Xeon: basically there are MANY reasons not to run as root all the time, and no *valid* reasons to do it
<2> so doing it is silly
<7> DaveHowe: Hehe
<2> you *Can* do wireless securely
<2> my hospital does it
<7> Night, sleep timre
<2> it's 100% secure, I would stake my life on it
<8> smsie: didn't say you couldn't
<2> it hasn't actually *worked* since the day they installed it...
<9> hello, how do i remotely connect to a machine and run xchat on a currently running X session?
<2> this is why I feel confident in stakling anything you like on its security :)
<8> smsie: sharp's was 100% secure - I would indeed put my life on that.
<2> DaveHowe: the cisco rotating key doodah?
<8> smsie: nah. the one I set up in its own dmz :)
<8> smsie: the germans implimented the one I designed - go figure :)
<2> :)
<2> the germans were actually halfway competent as I recall
<8> smsie: nope. you should have seen the heap of steaming vendor-specific turd *they* proposed
<2> ah
<8> best that could be said about the germans is that they were willing to spend money to get it right
<2> a good thing
<2> and also a bad thing
<2> that *can* lead to the erroneous conclusions that "money is *required* to get it right", "it's more expensive, so it must be better" and "if it's free it must be ****"
<6> smsie: My wireless is pretty secure - as soon as anyone pairs with the AP, the AP grinds to a halt :P
<6> smsie: Unless the box is a Linux box using the madwifi drivers - then it works fine
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