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<0> smsie: Unless the box is a Linux box using the madwifi drivers - then it works fine
<1> smsie: no. it leads to the conclusion that doing it right is more important than doing it cheaply.
<1> smsie: they were happy enough to glomb onto the vnc rollouts and crystal-based site we did too
<2> hi, how do i run a program on a active X session running on my desktop from a remote connetion?
<1> f00bar: set the DISPLAY variable correctly and make sure whatever x security you have is cool with it
<1> not that xauth really qualifies as security unless MS's AD does :)
<0> f00bar: Alternatively, use ssh to tunnel the X stuff, or use nx, lbx, etc
<2> ok, thanks
<0> f00bar: SSH tunnelling requires the machine you're ssh'ing to to have the feature enabled, and it's a systemwide setting
<3> hey Lion-O
<4> Hola Nanuq
<6> I can't for the love of god figure out how to set owners on smb-mounts. gah
<6> Lion-O: ditching Solaris for Ubuntu? >:)
<7> nexenta ftw!
<4> Jostein: naah, it'll be a long time before my servers move back to Linux :)
<3> Lion-O: from what to what?
<4> Nanuq: Debian to Ubuntu
<3> _to_ ?
<8> Ubuntu *is* Debian, basically
<4> PolarWolf: yups, and fully aimed at the lazy people ;)
<8> Lion-O: You'll feel right at home then :)
<4> PolarWolf: bingo!
<4> I'm a little over messing with the kernel and fixing stuff every week but I also want to keep the latest & greatest with regards to software. So I think this will blend in just fine.
<8> Lion-O: I haven't had to mess around with any kernels in ages
<9> I must admit, I moved from Debian to Ubuntu after 10 years and I'm running out of things to tweak and fix.. it just works..
<4> PolarWolf: Same here, I usually copy the config file over and it works. But you never know what lurks in the shadows ;)
<8> Even Sid hasn't broken on me in a while
<10> hmm. that worked suspiciously well..
<9> yeah, I'm actually more talking about the desktop stuff.. guess moving from a hand beaten time worn windowmaker system to a pre-built gnome config has lent a certain amount of integration and seamlessnes I never had before..
<11> PolarWolf: please don't taunt Murphy like that
<11> bah
<8> Mhuahahaha
<10> sid did bite me in the arse a few days ago, when someone decided that without either cron.allow or cron.deny, only root was allowed access to cron
<11> that's....insane
<10> yeah. It's been fixed since though
<10> it's what one gets for running sid I suppose ;)
<11> indeed
<9> you ride the bleeding edge you get cut from time to time..
<11> it does what it says on the tin
<10> but sid has loveley (although non-free) sun-java5 packages
<11> whats the difference between those and using make-jpkg?
<10> smsie: these get updated without my intervention ;)
<11> haha
<11> so the only real advantage is for those with lazyitis?
<11> I should take a look :)
<10> smsie: yeah
<4> ah yes, thats the only thing I do have to check up on; getting gcj replaced on ubuntu. It left me with one b0rk package
<11> gcj is still a metric mile away from being a replacementy for the Sun jdk
<4> smsie: I hate it with a p***ion, but you already knew that :)
<10> smsie: it would be nice if sun actually relaxed their grip enough to get it into main
<11> wlfshmn: unlikely
<11> wlfshmn: and I'm not even sure it's a good thing
<10> smsie: indeed
<4> wlfshmn: I'm a little reluctant about the idea though...
<10> smsie: well, it, or something else that is actually a complete replacement for it
<11> wlfshmn: Sun's grip has driven the language to some pretty good places. I'd hate to see what GNU would have made of the language if they were driving it!
<4> wlfshmn: granted; Sun will be calling the shots but just look at the problems you currently have on Linux with regards to Java... :/
<10> Lion-O: an open implementation. I don't expect sun to give up the reins on the spec
<4> smsie: IMO it shows that although GNU can do some amazing things its not as perfect as some people claim it to be.
<11> wlfshmn: the implementation is pretty open. What can't you do that you want to do?
<8> GNU stands or falls by the people doing the code. And as in anything, quality varies.
<10> smsie: nothing. I just want it, or something compatible with it, to actually be able to provide a -complete- runtime
<10> man, I'm hungry..
<11> wlfshmn: it does provide a complete runtime. What's missing?
<4> oh, and for the record: I've been using Mozilla for a long time now but have to admit that Firefox is purrty too.
<11> wlfshmn: as far as I can see, practicallt all that you *aren't* alllowed to do is change it and call the result java
<11> which (IMO) is reasonable
<10> smsie: which? the sun jre? yes, but the inability to include a complete runtime into debian severly hampers the state of debian-java
<11> wlfshmn: well, you could argue that the requirements for java are unreasonable...
<10> smsie: yes, you could argue that too. The requirement that everything be buildable (and runable I expect) with a free implementation, means a large portion of usefull ibraries just aren't packaged for debian
<11> anwyay, as long as it can be in non-free, there's not a problem
<4> smsie: hmm, there is more.. You're also not allowed to make profit from your own compiled jvm.
<11> Lion-O: hmm, that could be an issue perhaps...
<4> so basicly; As long as it is in the interest of study and research you're free to do anything you like, but you cannot make profit from Sun's codebase. Which is IMVHO reasonable since I /can/ use whatever I've learned from the process.
<12> m
<3> hmm
<3> calgary is still kaput
<6> so... by chowning the mountpoints before mounting them in FreeBSD, permissions are handed to the user
<6> Where the hell was THAT documented?
<4> Jostein: actually.. that is a common thing to do.
<13> what other computer should run if i want to connect with rlogin which is on port 513 ? Does it have to be server
<4> Jostein: the same thing is used on Solaris for some 'virtual' filesystems (like /dev or /tmp)
<4> Fladimir: that makes no sense.
<13> Well how can i start rlogin with different PC
<4> Fladimir: if you wish to use rlogin (which isn't recommended, use ssh instead) simply run the needed daemon.
<13> ok
<12> using rlogin is bad security practice (IMO)
<13> probably i am reaing old book for linux :)
<13> 2000 or 2001
<13> reading*
<6> Lion-O: well. in linux I always used options in /etc/fstab
<4> Jostein: *nod*, same here ;)
<6> oh well. works now. just think there should be SOME mentioning of ownership and stuff in either the fstab or mount manpage
<12> geez:
<12> According to information- technology research firm IDC, the average amount of storage on desktop computers shipped last year was 109 gigabytes.
<6> only 109?
<12> yeah...
<12> the largest HD I own is in my laptop (40GB)
<6> smallest HD I own is the 60GB one in my laptop
<8> dogbert2: If you don't warez movies, there's little use in having big*** drives
<6> I just dont like to sit down by the TV at scheduled times
<12> PW...yeah
<12> TiVO :)
<6> And I dont call DLing TV-shows for watching "warezing", but I'm sure that's a topic that can be argued, if people really wanted to
<1> Jostein: if the tv companies had their way, even the old VCRs would be piracy :)
<6> hehe
<12> DaveHowe...actually, I prefer shows from the 70's and 80's (which come out on DVD)...
<1> which makes a lot more sense when you realise they don't sell tv to customers, they sell "eyeballs" to advertisers :)
<6> heh
<1> true of magazines too - less than 10% of income comes from the cover price - they would give the things away if they could, but that wouldn't let them sell eyeballs to advertisers as easily
<11> many of them DO give them away
<11> there are a lot of free papers
<1> yup. but few free magazines
<11> indeed
<14> People People ... :)
<11> magazines are far more expensive to produce
<1> hard to claim a circulation and/or dedicated readership if you can't account for how many were genuinely acquired by people who wanted to read them
<11> yep
<4> aaaah, now to backup Debian and then overrun it 8)
<14> People ... :)
<14> Ha Ha :)
<15> it bounces
<14> Funny Guy ...
<4> humor even.
<14> Yeah ...
<14> You are the gunnyest ...
<14> of them all
<14> Nr 1 ..
<1> surely stupid moron is redundant? irritating moron would be a better description :)
<4> aaah ok ;)
<15> i wonder if she menat funniest?
<6> I do not
<15> me niether
<12> <burp>
<16> c=
<6> observes. damnit
<15> yeay keyboard gremlins are sucessing in world domination!!
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