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<0> hehe
<0> i like it that way ;p
<1> nm1: and ubuntu is nice for the desktop. but it does have overhead
<2> nm1: you can't have both. Ubuntu is about as friendly as it comes. But that has plenty of "bulge"
<3> nm1: Try Ubuntu if you want to get working right away.
<0> exactly
<4> Jostein_: dapper cuts alot of the overhead out
<2> nm1: you can't have both
<5> so take the bulge away.
<1> Emerson: dapper doesnt work here
<2> nm1: you can either have friendly bulge, or unfriendly but sleek
<3> nm1: Just switch your windows manager to something lightweight and you're done with bulge.
<1> Emerson: well... technically its xorg hating my ati mobility card :P
<0> thats why i chose slack...thought it had the least bulge...excluding the window managewr
<4> Jostein_: dapper default install loads in about 1/2 the time that breezy does
<0> hmm
<1> Emerson: thats pretty good
<2> nm1: yeah, but it's unmaintainable. You don't upgrade slackware, you reinstall a newer version
<0> oh ok
<0> yeah...i still have the 10.1 version
<2> nm1: I think you actually want to try gentoo
<4> Jostein_: they have just pushed its release back till June so that the languages team can have a little more time to finish
<1> Am I the only one hinking its hilarious that someone using -slackware- says they cant imagine a sysadmin using win2k?
<2> you're the kind who would think it made sense
<0> reality: i tried some light window manager once, i found it so pathetic!
<2> nm1: you can't have "great window manager" and "no bulge". The two are mutually exclusive
<0> hm
<0> lol why Jostein_
<3> nm1: Why the **** is it pathetic?
<2> more features incurs more overhead
<3> nm1: What more do you need a window manager to do?
<4> smsie: EDR17 looks like it's gonna answer both of those
<0> i dunno....it was so far removed from xp's ui ;p
<2> Emerson: EDR17?
<6> nm1: since when was XP's UI a reference?
<1> nm1: because in win2k you have active diretory and group policies that makes management and maintanability a breeze. and you use slackware. where -everything- has to be done by hand
<7> enlightenment.
<2> nm1: why aren't you using XP?
<7> that which will not stay dead.
<3> nm1: http://www.xfce.org/
<2> nm1: if you want XP's UI, use XP
<0> i'm using xp too
<0> lol
<7> i like fluxbox.
<4> smsie: Enlightenment DR17, been running it 3+ months solid
<6> nm1: nothing funny with it, if you're so happy with XP, the for the love of god use it
<2> Emerson: never really tried enlightenment
<7> smsie: what, not even years ago?
<2> Emerson: I don't really use linux on the desktop any more.
<1> doesnt enlightment require tons of hand configuring?
<1> s/hand/manual/
<7> Jostein_: its been so many years i just dont remember. :)
<4> smsie: my only bitch is the filemanager still doesn't work, but wth xterm is fine for a filemanager
<0> i like xp's ui, but dont like some other aspects of it
<8> anyone knows of editors supporting UTF-8 || UTF-16
<9> Lion-O: you know a good place to get the debootstrap base .tar.gz ?seems like ftp.debian.org got this debian only compatible source
<1> nm1: then stick to XP + cygwin
<0> hm
<10> Why not eterm, Emerson ?
<2> ugh, cygwin suzors
<4> c_wolf: I never have liked eterm
<8> ?
<0> i was just wondering...what kind of ppl would want to use linux as a desktop os...was just curious
<2> nm1: lots of people use it as a desktop os
<1> smsie: it OK for what it is supposed to be
<0> cuz i found it so annoying
<8> Any ideas?
<0> hm
<1> smsie: its not supposed to be a full linux OS. its supposed to bring linux functionality to windows
<3> nm1: Correction. You found slackware annoying. Not linux.
<2> nm1: so don't use it for the desktoip
<4> nm1: and I am just wondering... what kind of people would want to use windows as an os period!
<11> nm1, Linux has all desktop I need
<2> Jostein_: yeah, it fails, heavily
<0> hmm
<0> guess it depends on the individual, afterall
<0> ;p
<1> smsie: for -mist- of my needs, it works out
<11> nm1, I moved from XP to SuSE because of desktop quality
<1> smsie: most
<0> yeah pepper?
<0> cool
<4> pepper: how does SuSE work out foryou?
<1> smsie: it does have a few odd quirks I canrt figure out, though
<10> Suse is a linux pepper ?
<0> what did u like about suse that xp didnt have?
<1> nm1: KIO-slaves
<3> c_wolf: Of course
<4> nm1: only you are starting to get on my nerves.. u is not a word and nither is ppl.. speak english for ****s sake
<11> SuSE 10.0 is about as "pro" it gets out there...new versions with XGL will do it for eye candy.
<0> cmon
<10> I think suse is a suse, they hacked it too much to be still called linux *g*
<11> I think Dapper has XGL already though
<1> pepper: not by default
<1> pepper: it takes a little hacking
<11> allright
<4> c_wolf: I use SLSE for my server. I would rather use that than RHEL
<1> do any manual config edition, run suseconfig, say goodbye to manual edits
<11> maybe for christmas we all have wobbly windows :)
<11> you mean YaST?
<4> Jostein_: so what? I can live with it
<0> so smsie, which distro do you think i should use, in your opinion?
<0> after all i've said
<3> nm1: Ubuntu
<1> Emerson: sure. as long as you can manage with the tools suse provide, I guess its OK
<3> Until you get your head wrapped around linux
<10> nm1 : Try some and get what you like.
<1> Emerson: just not my style, though
<11> YaST2 solves most problems...from rpm's to screen update freq
<4> nm1: kubuntu if you like kde so much
<12> Yet another ****e Tool
<11> :9
<11> Shiite?
<13> "WARNING: mysqlcheck has found corrupt tables" grr..
<12> ****e.
<6> yoz: last time I got some of those it was the HDD that died
<1> yoz: good times
<4> Jostein_: not really mine either, but there are people in the office who don't know linux that might have to do some admin work on it while I am on oil rigs.
<11> whyz: compared with?
<12> pepper: something that works properly like apt.
<0> laterz
<6> yoz: then it happened quire often at times though
<13> K_F: hope not.
<6> quite*
<4> Jostein_: I think YaST(2) is the best thing for linux stupid people
<6> yoz: it happened once every third day or so
<1> Emerson: true
<11> whyz, ubuntu?
<1> Emerson: my first linux desktop was suse :P
<6> yoz: then the server froze and wouldn't boot again :)
<13> K_F: that'd be ****y.. =/
<4> Jostein_: however when ubuntu finishes matureing on the server side it's gonna be weapon of choice
<14> yoz, hows the 1800 holding up?
<6> yoz: not really, the digg traffic would have killed the old server
<13> fredk: it's nice. 8)
<14> ;)
<4> Jostein_: I've heard that it's gonna be as easy to use as their desktop is.
<1> Emerson: wow. that'd be pretty neat
<13> K_F: well.. I got that mail when I restarted mysql.. restored some backup tables and restarted.. no more mail like that.
<13> K_F: probably mambo ****ed up stuff..
<6> yoz: probably
<15> wow
<13> K_F: with the old tables it's fine.
<1> corrupted DBs are the worst
<15> latest SID update last night did some REALLY weird **** to firefox
<11> Ubuntu is for those acid humanist green beans
<4> Jostein_: I watch the devels threads on it.. they are doing alot of work on makeing it stable and secure, and I've seen a few threads on a GUI but, nothing spacific
<1> Emerson: I see. sounds interesting
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