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<0> lol
<1> -qf <filename>
<1> i HATE gnu
<2> vIkSiT: at least i know how to read man entries!
<3> vIkSiT: gnu hates you too
<1> Uncouth, can you believe that libgcj has deps on anjuta?
<1> Uncouth, hehe, so can i - didn't see your message till i got it :)
<2> vIkSiT: i can believe anything -- i'm very gullible
<1> schitzo, i'm sure he does!
<4> http://members.chello.nl/rwestdor/23jan2006/html/look_into_my_eyes.html <-- this dude is freakishly scary
<2> of course, i wouldn't use POS like FC4 too
<1> i don't use FC4
<1> ;)
<2> something even worse then... suse or mdk
<2> or maybe *shudder* slackware!
<5> Ewwww.
<6> Sagoro: hey, looks like I'm going to be in your neck of the woods for a week next month.
<7> Wackware
<2> should i enforce a rule that a chain must exist before you can use it as a target?
<2> iptables doesn't have that limitation, does it?
<8> uncouth: iptables is a limitation to begin with...
<1> hehehe, i use a highly debian like version of FC3 - thats why i haven't updated.
<2> it does have that limitation!
<1> evilelf, unfortunately, it wouldn't run the more interesting apps i like to use
<2> highly debian like?
<1> Uncouth, i mean, all my stuff is hand updated - all rpmd, all apt-getd - from FC4 repos, src.rpms
<8> viksit: firefox is enough for pr0n and irssi is perfect for irc ;)
<9> FC can never be debian-like.
<1> hehe
<2> vIkSiT: yuck!
<1> Uncouth, and thou forgeth you used RH9 till about 6 months ago
<2> sounds like a serious mess -- no wonder you're ****ed in rpm hell!
<2> vIkSiT: and you forget that i saw the light and switched to debian
<1> hehe, yeah - how far behind the times are you now?
<1> 2 months?
<2> but it's ok, the kid will live and learn, as he watches his bridges burn, from the point of no return
<9> heh, an FC user talking ****. :)
<1> D-side, yeaaaah riighhttt
<1> but seriously - i do plan to shift, more than once, to debian - but it just doesnt seem to work on my laptop
<10> Can't believe I'm 30 today. blah.
<1> FC is rathe h***le free for video and stuff - hence i stuck to it.
<2> anyway, all the best in upgrading your ``preinstalled'' java with its anjuta deps
<1> Uncouth, oh, not an issue
<5> Falchion: You're 30? Today?
<9> Falchion: happy birthday
<9> you old ****. :D
<2> Falchion: long happy healthy life, etc
<1> sudo yum remove *java* *anjuta* ;)
<10> Tron: Yup. AKA my 3rd annual 28th b-day
<1> hahahaa
<10> thanks, ****ers ;)
<1> happy b'day Falchion
<1> Lol
<11> bouncy
<10> hoople b0rkday? heheh that's a new one
<2> ****, i'm glad i didn't tell anyone on my b'day!
<7> i'd do some gay happy birthday colors if i wouldnt get banned
<2> Comet: you would
<10> Uncouth: You weren't born, you were hatched! :)
<3> Comet: yeah, don't do that
<5> It's Uncouth's birthday today too!?!? :P
<10> Comet: hahah
<2> Tron: nope, it's gone
<3> Falchion: no, he climbed out of the primordial ooze
<12> Falchion: happy bday grandpa :P
<5> Uncouth: Bah. How late were we?
<2> Falchion: are you calling my mum a snake?
<10> Jostein_: That.. is... so.. wrong...
<13> 30.. it only goes downhill from there
<10> schitzo: primordial ooze or a pile of poop?
<9> Falchion: think of it this way... at least its only ONE foot in the grave.
<10> Uncouth: I'm sooooo not going there...
<12> Falchion: Me myself.. Only 27 :)
<5> Clone: It goes downhill from the moment you were conceived, dude.
<10> D-side: The other on a rollerskate
<2> Falchion: take it back!
<10> Uncouth: heh
<13> Tron: not true!
<5> Ture.
<5> True even.
<7> falchion 30 is damn good..
<6> I swear it takes about six months to get a new workstation set up the way I want it.
<12> siglite: lol
<7> ripe
<10> Comet: oh?
<2> siglite: i document everything i change
<6> Uncouth: on your own workstation?
<2> change, install, remove, configure
<2> siglite: yup
<6> wow
<2> siglite: otherwise it takes me 6 months too :)
<6> I'm sure that's usefull in the very situation I'm in, but I couldn't justify the time to stop and document everything
<2> siglite: just emacs -f add-change-log-entry /path/to/file you changed (or something like that)
<2> do that on client systems too then save the changelog with me, so i can recreate from scratch if required
<6> well, I'm a bit more dilligent in documenting customer systems.
<9> man, this florida bus crash story is sadder than hell
<6> D-side: something recent?
<3> yesterday
<9> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/26/bus.crash/index.html
<9> recent development today.
<3> oh ****, that's right our slugs aren't unique
<3> ok, who here understands the GPL
<9> s/here //
<3> ok yeah that too
<2> i do, more or less
<6> damn
<6> that story is ****ed up.
<3> ok, if we write code against a application that is released under the GPL, but don't change any of the original source code we have to release that code back into the wild?
<9> the grandfather hears the news and drops dead? holy ****.
<2> schitzo: how does it interact with the gpl app?
<3> the stuff that we write? that all it does is use API's from the original application?
<3> Uncouth: it's a plugin that runs inside the application
<2> schitzo: depends -- is the original app library gpl or lgpl?
<2> since you link against a lib, you have to consider the license of the lib
<3> Uncouth: GPL .. specifics are Wildfire Jabber server from Jive Software adn we have a plugin running inside said server
<3> Uncouth: it's java, so technically there isnt' any linking. :)
<2> schitzo: if the lib is gpl you have to release source
<2> schitzo: is this for public release or only for internal use?
<3> Uncouth: ummm, Community for Adult Swim
<3> Uncouth: so public consumption
<2> i mean, if you only use it inside your organisation you don't need to release source
<3> Uncouth: so since it's on a public facing web entity we'll have to release it back
<2> schitzo: only if you give the modified version of the server to anyone else
<2> if only you have the server then you keep the source
<3> Uncouth: but yet... the Client API is Apache license. so in theory if we break the plugin out to a stand alone daemon app we are cool
<3> Uncouth: well that's just it. we havent' modified the server. it's a plugin application that runs inside the server space
<3> Uncouth: so all we do is use Server API's to launch the plugin
<2> schitzo: let's not mix up the client and the server. they're completely unrelated from the point of view of licensing
<3> Uncouth: ok, but yet I am correct that if I pull the plugin out. change the startup from a server initiated plugin to a main() standalone application I don't have to release back into the wild
<2> schitzo: does the plugin use the servers gpl cl***es?
<3> Uncouth: yes
<2> schitzo: then you have to release source
<3> Uncouth: ok, so I pull it out and make it a standalone app.
<14> viral licensing is evil
<3> or license the server
<2> for the plugin at least
<2> shaddup you bsd freak!
<14> bah.
<14> BSD > you
<3> The Apache license dosne't work that way though right?
<2> schitzo: make the plugin standalone?
<14> with the exception of OpenBSD... because Theo is a jack***.
<7> agreed
<3> so code I write against API's supplied by cl***es under the Apache license is mine and I don't have to release it
<15> of course it's trivial to redistribute OpenBSD under the TheoIsAn***BSD label if you so please.
<2> schitzo: yup
<14> Pim: LOL!
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