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<0> DevZer0: Instead, look at BSD, MIT and Apache licensed code, or if you absolutley have to, LGPL code can be useable in some cases.
<1> or... uhm.... write it yourself
<0> DevZer0: and for the love of god, if your livelyhood depends on this, get a real lawyers oppinion before tainting your project
<0> K_F: ;)
<2> hehe
<3> man, zakk rocked this tune
<4> taint?
<0> K_F: You may have your own codebase, but want to utilize a 3rd party library for exmaple. We do, and stick to things licensed a bit more liberally than GPL ;)
<3> one of my favorite to play
<3> simple, but sounds so so wicked
<0> Ka-bar: You don't want to end up somewhere where you've gotten far enough along integrating GPLed code that you can't sanely back out
<1> wlfshmn: yeah, this didn't sound like that though
<0> Ka-bar: If it's just library-use, fine, but if he is actualyl extending a GPLed project, you never know where he might have stuffed GPLed code
<1> wlfshmn: this sounded like a "I don't know how to do something, so I want to copy/paste it"
<1> but your point is mainly the reason for LGPL in the first place
<0> K_F: Well, no
<1> "This license, the Lesser General Public License, applies to some specially designated software packages--typically libraries--of the Free Software Foundation"
<0> K_F: It's the reason most poeple use LGPL, but the intention was to ease transition to full GPL. LGPL was only intended to be applied to obvious code that had no novelty value but only reimplemented commercial code
<1> "typically libraries"
<0> K_F: it's often used as a "lesser" GPL instead, and RMS isn't too happy aobut it
<1> well, it is "lesser" :)
<3> ok, I have *GOT* to learn that solo.
<0> I probably should consider heading ohme
<1> wlfshmn: anywyas, the preamble mentions libraries.. other than that I don't really care :)
<0> K_F: Oh, indeed, I was only saying what the intent was. It certainly applies more liberally than RMS would want it to be used ;)
<0> K_F: Then again, if RMS had his way, he would be walking around with Bill Gates' shrunken head on a stick
<1> not really
<0> Outside of an educational setting, it's quite likely that RMS wold be judged criminally insane
<1> I doubt he'd make it personal
<1> I actually have utmost respect for RMS
<0> K_F: Oh sure. It wouldn't be personal. He would display the head as a general symbol ;)
<1> I disagree with many of his opinions, but he has a right to have them
<1> Voiltare had a nice one on that
<5> wlfshmn: thank you
<0> meh.. overquoted ;)
<1> hehe
<0> I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend, onto death, your right to say it
<1> jup
<0> it's also not actually a voltair quote
<1> he's usually credited for it anyways
<6> ''
<6> what the hell?
<6> somehow my keyboard layout got switched to Greek
<1> hehe
<0> it's missattributed to him. It appeared in a collection of letters from a woman in a historical preservation society who delt with voltairs works and letters
<6> I meant to say 'unto'
<6> but my keyboard had other plans...
<0> Liandrin: I blame me not beeing a native speaker ;)
<0> Liandrin: and failing that, I call it wlfshmnian.
<0> Liandrin: and failing that, it's all oldmonks fault.
<1> wlfshmn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink had some comments to the same
<3> wlfshmn: that last goes without saying.
<0> siglite: orfcourse ;)
<1> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Groupthink&direction=prev&oldid=54837624
<0> anyway, I'm off for home. laters
<3> "oldmonk's fault" is like the implicit "any any deny" rule at the bottom of a cisco ACL.
<1> "Groupthink is a term widely (and mistakenly) attributed to psychologist Irving Janis."
<1> wlfshmn: have fun
<1> for what it is worth, my books still say that it is attributed to him :)
<1> thankfully the wikipedia article is cleaned up from that quote though :)
<6> siglite, I had a coworker once, the network engineer, who didn't want me editing Cisco ACLs for fear I'd cut myself off and need to reset the router
<6> siglite, the ironic thing is, he'd call me and ask me to reset the router just about every time -he- tried to edit an ACL, and to date, I've never done it once...
<6> siglite, go figure...
<4> snerk
<3> Liandrin: heh, yeah, you have to drive 120 miles with a serial cable just once, you tend to learn.
<1> hehe
<6> siglite, I literally mean I have never cut myself off by screwing up an ACL on the interface on a router I'm connected to it via
<6> siglite, $coworker did it nearly every time
<7> well that's why he was so worried, about it :)
<6> siglite, I think he once had to fly several hundred miles to fix a remote screwup
<7> hmm
<8> Ka-bar: dude we don't want him making a mess all over the channel
<7> basically it means "that which makes you go into a crazed frenzy"
<4> Mennonite: rofl
<6> I think I never screwed up because every time I edited ACLs I treated them like nuclear reactors
<7> ain't that the truth.
<7> Latin oestrus = frenzy, gadfly
<1> g'night
<7> from Greek oistros = gadfly, sting, mad impulse
<4> K_F...
<1> ... yeah?
<6> the rule is simple: deactivate, edit, reactivate
<6> even if it isn't the i/f you're connecting via
<4> K_F: nothing. just responding to your g'night...
<1> well... g'night then...
<4> Mmmm... almost beer time.
<6> damn. 76% of /var/www is taken up with my photo gallery.
<7> nobody's fooled by you calling your porn collection a 'photo gallery' :)
<9> Ka-bar, fwap you too
<6> no, that's my gallery install's data dir, not my porn collection
<7> ah. homebrews? :)
<6> no, that's stored somewhere else too :P
<10> shouldn't snoop (aka tcpdump for solaris) show the response packets too
<7> yes
<7> maybe you aren't getting the responses.
<10> yeah, chalk it up to stupid user error... "snoop.out" != "snoop.ou"
<6> that's better, I found 40 MB *compressed* of Photoshop cruft that's now bzip2'd down to 25
<7> that's a lot of cruft
<7> I get gobs of disk space
<6> Mennonite, it was only ten files or so, but each one was 5-10 MB
<6> seriously, I bought a 300 GB drive for my Winbox, now it has 1 GB free
<11> well, it may be an old game but farcry still can be entertaining
<6> mind you, since I had to copy everything off my two old disks, I had about a 120 GB headstart
<7> haha yeah
<7> I used to have this giant chunk of data that kept growing every new disk or computer I got
<7> it went all the way back to 720kB diskettes I had when I was 6
<12> heh
<11> hmm. I always go over my data every now and then thus making sure it doesn't fill up completely.
<12> but... I still lost 2 years worth of personal stuff back when I had my Solaris x86 box
<11> blech
<12> repeat after me: dd(1) is NOT a toy.
<11> Tamahome: indeed ;)
<6> I lost my entire music archive plus a bunch of other **** when a 75 GB drive failed in my Linux box
<13> poof
<13> heya Liandrin, Sean, Lion-O, Menn..
<11> Hi Nanuq
<6> Nanuq, that was pretty much it, actually. according to syslog, it failed at about 0430 on 29 Dec 2004
<13> Liandrin: I remember my main leenooks box died mid-flight to London :)
<13> Liandrin: PSU, took out both HDs with it
<13> and the CPU, though the RAM and CD-RW are okay
<6> Nanuq, a friend once took a computer as checked luggage to from Auckland to New Zealand. the box was hit so hard at some point that the entire ch***is was deformed and the processor had been ripped from its ZIF socket, then flipped around and all the pins bent
<13> cripes
<13> Liandrin: well the system wasn't with me, mind
<13> Liandrin: I mean it died over here, whilst _I_ was on the flight ;)
<6> Nanuq, same friend also watched them loading luggage onto a plane once, and there was this heavy bag that just couldn't make it up the conveyer into the hold
<6> so the baggage loader threw it at the hold's opening
<11> whew.. Man, using par2 as an extra checksum for my backups really was a great idea.. Some cd became flakey, but with my par2 files I managed to repair the damage anyway.
<13> Anyone have any advice on helping out a $coworker? Specifically, with financial issues?
<6> hit the side of the plane, fell ~15m onto the tarmac
<14> when i transferred my computer from .gr to .uk, i removed everything except the PSU / motherboard / floppy / DVD-ROM
<6> so he tries again
<6> hits the side of the plane somewhat higher
<14> and the DVD-ROM was a mistake
<13> mod-: did it survive?
<13> mod-: and g'day :)
<6> he fails again with similar results, before finally getting it in the hold
<14> Nanuq: evening :^)
<14> Liandrin, Lion-O, Tamahome, rest
<12> 'lo Vas
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