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<0> IT-Whoring, also known as consulting
<1> consulting is fun..
<2> Lordy...engineers make terrible managers
<3> consluting is the term I use
<3> reality: vs. non-engineers?
<2> Yes
<0> reality__: they are good managers of predictable resources ;)
<3> my current manager is trying to make me babysit all the junior people he just hired
<3> because he has no idea how to train them
<4> reality__: I think I'd make an efficient manager.. for about a week.
<0> reality__: ofcourse, living people aren't very predictable
<3> I'd be efficient at holding a m*** firing.
<2> Nanuq: Then the engineer in you kicks in and it's all over
<4> reality__: I'd fire everyone and try to rationalise why I should be doing anything at all.
<4> reality__: There is no engineer in me.
<2> heh
<2> That sounds dirty
<4> I don't want to build things. I question the need for things.
<3> Nanuq: you'd make a great CEO then
<3> no no, you'd make a great architect
<4> Awesome.
<4> Mennonite: Oh?
<4> Mennonite: Designing buildings that aren't practical?
<3> Yeah, instead of actually getting something done, architects sit around pondering ways to not get it done.
<3> No, software architects. Real architects are actually held accountable for something.
<4> Ah.
<5> "software architects"
<0> Nanuq: maybe you should go into demolition ;)
<5> is that anything like "software engineers"?
<6> talking about software architecture I still need to work out some specifications
<3> 9V: It's even less productive.
<4> wlfshmn: I don't have a desire to destroy things.
<5> if i work at mcdonalds, am i a "hamburger engineer" or "hamburger architect"?
<0> Is ther anything as ill defined as a software developers work title? ;)
<7> anyone could recommend a good program to read CVS files _
<7> ?
<3> The hamburger architect ponders whether the cheese should go on the top or bottom and holds many meetings to discuss this
<6> jumikan: viewcvs ?
<1> jumikan: cvs?
<3> The engineer devises a machine to put the cheese on the burger
<0> NineVolt: subway likes to call them "sandisch artists" don't they?
<4> NineVolt: hamburger technician
<7> yes
<5> heh
<1> jumikan: man cvs
<8> K_F: use 'cvs'
<8> errr
<3> One of the contractors actually puts the damn thing together and hands it to the customer.
<5> sad but true.
<3> then, the architect is praised because the customer said his meal was tasty.
<6> Lion-O: what have you been doing this time
<4> Mennonite: Yeah, and people like me insist that we can substitute cardboard for cheese, and nobody will notice the difference.
<8> Sunblade: hm?
<4> Mennonite: But instead of pocketing the profit, I'll lower the cost of the sandwich.
<8> lol
<7> where can I download a windows version_
<6> :>
<7> ?
<6> jumikan: Google ?
<0> Nanuq: if it's american cheese, that ought to work
<8> jumikan: www.google.com.
<1> MD5: you're cryptographically broken, please upgrade to a stronger digest algorithm
<3> jumikan: CVS compiles fine on Windows. Try Cygwin.
<8> Sunblade: Seems I'm irresistable :P
<3> /nick SHA1
<6> jumikan: screw cvs use subversion
<3> I think there's a secure replacement for SHA-1, too
<4> Mennonite: That's me, stuck half way between leftwing and rightwing. ;)
<1> Mennonite: actually sha-1 has been cryptogrpahically broken too
<4> Cut expenses, but share the cuts!
<1> Mennonite: reduced to 2**69 at least, probaby less
<0> Nanuq: that would be fuselage
<1> Mennonite: operations to get a collision that is, given control over two input documents
<1> Mennonite: so sha512 or at least sha256..
<9> i need help setting up vhost on apache
<5> md5 : wrong channel
<4> wlfshmn: hmm?
<6> MD5: httpd.apache.org
<1> MD5: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0
<5> MD5 : and it's way too easy to be asking for help about.
<1> ok.. that wasn't it
<1> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/
<5> pachinko > apache
<6> I've should've said the easy answer: RTFM :)
<4> wlfshmn: Actually my attitude for the past couple years has been to cut expenses wherever I can, because tomorrow brings nothing but costs.
<4> wlfshmn: IOW, I have zero confidence in my future. :)
<5> Nanuq : you should take it one step further and retire.
<6> K_F: In my case only the former :)
<4> NineVolt: From?
<5> i dunno, from work?
<4> NineVolt: I'm 25 and already semi-retired. :)
<5> i'm ***uming you work.
<5> ah, bastard.
<5> i'm 24 and still like 5 years away :'(
<1> Sunblade: hey... I'm stunningly handsome, some chick is bound to come running... right? *cough*
<6> man I am gettin gold
<1> Sunblade: me too
<4> NineVolt: I think I'm hating it, but I'm not sure what else to do.
<6> I wish I was 20+ again :P
<4> NineVolt: See above.
<1> Sunblade: 21 here, hehe... and the gold is somewhere in .ch still...
<3> Nanuq: Your goal is to cut expenses (by firing half the workers and making the rest work twice as many hours) and sharing the cost savings with management bonuses and a boost to the share price.
<5> you can... fund my retirement too :P
<6> K_F: you're still young man :)
<5> all i need is like 100k usd.
<4> Mennonite: No, I wouldn't.
<3> I'm about ten years from retirement
<1> Sunblade: so I keep telling myself, I don't necessarily believe too much in it though
<1> Sunblade: and nobody believes me with regards to my age anyways
<3> 5 years at my present standard of living, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life this way
<6> 32 is getting very close bleh :P
<4> Mennonite: I would cut expenses, cut staff, and keep just enough going to maintain my own frugal lifestyle. :)
<3> I need about $350k to retire at my current living standard
<6> K_F: you look 50 ? :P
<3> Nanuq: Doesn't work once the business loses money.
<1> Sunblade: http://www2.kfwebs.net/img_0537-365x416.jpg
<4> Mennonite: Oh no?
<1> Sunblade: anyways, I had a difficult time convinsing a couple of those that are in the housing board of my age, especially this one woman..
<0> meh, I'm like uhm, 40 years from retirement ;)
<6> indeed you certainly look a bit older on the picture (/me hides)
<1> hehe
<3> Nanuq: you aren't getting any earnings if the business is losing money.. I guess you could liquidate it
<3> in a software company, liquidation nets you probably not enough to pay off a month's bills
<4> Mennonite: Yup.
<5> well i'm trying to retire to a third world country
<4> NineVolt: Panama?
<5> india.
<3> K_F: you look 25
<5> goa, india.
<3> oh, India is not bad
<1> Mennonite: yeah, I get estimates between 25 and 28
<4> NineVolt: I'd pick Panama.
<3> K_F: that's ok.. chicks who are 18/19 prefer an older guy so you are in luck :)
<5> i'd sooner live in chad than panama
<4> I think I was supposed to be there now.
<4> I never get around to these things, see.
<5> heh
<1> Mennonite: fun when I'm out on town and a 27 year old gets asked for legitimation to get into a 24 year old place and I don't..
<5> is panama not having a civil war right now?
<3> No, but CHad is having a war right now
<5> not really
<3> Panama is just a through-route for drug traffic.
<0> K_F: s/legitimation/ID/ ;)
<4> Mennonite: So just scoop a little here 'n there.
<6> !ping
<6> !seen foo
<1> wlfshmn: fair enough :)
<0> K_F: I suppose you -can- use legitimation about a person in english, but it sounds wierd
<1> wlfshmn: its still a valid term though?
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