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<0> XyZzY: "plot device"
<0> XyZzY: interestingly HG Wells was writing about a time machine LONG before they were ever invented... :)
<1> smsie: no actual. Goldfinger was made in 1964 two years before Kevlar vests in 1966
<1> that is if you can belive someofthe timelines out there
<2> XyZzY: Why can't it be a plot device?
<0> XyZzY: well, yeah. So? it's STILL a plot device
<0> the fact that it became reality soon afterwards isn't really relevant
<1> well it could be a plot device, but was it also a inspriation?
<0> no, it was a plot device
<2> The drive for decent armour has been around for a long time now.
<0> what I find interesting is that the new BSG uses projectile weapons rather than lasers
<2> smsie: If it's a projectile that does 80% the speed of light it could probably do more damage:)
<0> back in the 70s, you HAD to have lasers to be a scifi show. Now, projectiles are allowed
<1> Pizbit: very true
<0> Pizbit: that's a LOT of momentum :)
<2> smsie: *exactly*
<3> smsie: what I find annoying is that BSG uses a 9mm Baretta CX4 Storm carbine
<0> Pizbit: even something as small as a bullet travelling at that speed could probably take out a fair sized planetoid
<1> "Do you expect me to talk?" "no, mr Bond I expect you to DIE"
<0> wlfshmn: does it? They use "guns" as far as I'm concerned :)
<3> smsie: ;)
<0> XyZzY: one of the *truly* great lines in cinema :)
<2> smsie: Scary thought isn't it?
<0> Pizbit: well, not really, no. The energy required to accellerate even something the size of a bullet to that kind of speed is enough to take out a solar system or two :)
<0> even at 0.8c it would be *heavy*
<2> It'd hurt.
<0> if doable, yes
<0> I hate to think of the difficulty in aiming it
<0> the calculations for time dilation would be a *bitch*
<2> Why?
<2> Aim, point, shoot.
<2> Just hope it's a recoilless device.
<0> Pizbit: because the launch platform, the projectile and the target are three different frames of reference, all moving with respect to each other.
<1> no, you would have to account for gravatational deflections at near realativistic speed
<2> smsie: If the transition to that speed is instantaneous and the target was only a few k away I don't see a problem.
<0> 0.8c is a relativistic speed. You'd have to wprk out how heavy it was at that speed...and how long it would take to get there, as seen from the pov of the launch platform, the projectile and the target. Otherwise the target won't BE there any more
<4> I think momentum loss due to drag would be an issue
<0> Pizbit: umm, you absolutely *can't* transition to that speed instanlty
<1> you would also have the problem of creating a platform with very little play for angular adjustments
<2> smsie: Says who?
<4> if you dumped enough eneryg into it at once to accelerate it to that speed, it'd *melt* ;)
<0> Pizbit: says me. Anything you try to accellerate that hard which has m*** will disintegrate
<2> Remember, we're talking sci-fi here, not reality.
<4> oh, well, then we can throw all the rules out the window
<2> Liandrin: Throw them out anyway, it's not like we know everything yet.
<1> you'd also have to consider if it hit any gas along the way it would probably either melt or be deflected
<0> Pizbit: there are two types of science in sci-fi. The type that's indistinguishable from magic, and the type that actualy *tries* to be at least a little plausible. If this is the former then fine, go ahead :)
<4> XyZzY: I think I said somethihng about momentum loss to drag
<2> XyZzY: Shields, heh
<0> Pizbit: you can accelerate it that much, because you have inertial dampers
<1> Liandrin: shots in space at planets would have little to worry about for drag except interstellar solar wind
<0> I always like the ST stock answer to "so how do the inertial dampers work?"
<0> "very well thanks"
<2> smsie: Actually the book I was thinking off has the device accelerates really quickly and is designed to be a sooped up portable anti-air.
<0> "anti-air"?
<2> smsie: Helicopters, heard of them?:)
<0> helicopters, yes
<2> inertial dampers would be a fun thing to invent.
<0> please do
<2> smsie: Tomorrow.
<0> why so long? All you need to do is get a flux capacitor, reverse the polarity of the neutron flow and insert an inverted tachyon martix
<0> scotty would have it done in 12 minutes
<2> Got to order the parts, damned suppliers are slow.
<0> fair enough
<1> you forgot theyhave to backorder it
<2> Yep, everyone else is out to invent inertial dampers too.
<0> I don't know why they bother
<0> I have one here
<0> made it about a month ago
<2> And you were telling me to invent them? *Glares*
<0> well, you have to have *something* to do on a quiet sunday
<2> Monday
<1> smsie: no, you don't have it. it was stolen by the NSA
<2> Local holiday though so it's all good.
<0> XyZzY: no it wasn't. That was the one I put there after they stole it and I time travelled back to replace the one they were going to have solen with the dummy for them to steaon
<2> smsie: Moo?
<0> Pizbit: feeling Vimesish?
<2> Not currently, should I be?
<1> smsie: that's the brainwashing talking ya know :)
<2> s/brainwashing/treason
<0> Pizbit: how can it be treason? I'm not subject to US law
<2> smsie: Treason is more fun.
<2> Slow night.
<0> I'm back to writing html
<0> I wish I were being paid for this
<2> Why aren't you/
<0> Pizbit: because I'm screwing the customer
<0> hard to pull out and say "and you owe me 0 for web development"
<2> How're you screwing the customer if you're not getting paid?
<2> Hey Lion-O
<5> *YAWN*, and another lazy sunday
<5> Hoi Pizbit / smsie XyZzY / whyzzyrd
<6> morning
<5> doh.. oh well.
<6> erm, afternoon
<0> Pizbit: screwing...umm, didn't your dad ever explamin to you how babies are made?
<2> smsie: So you're getting paid to screw the customer but not do work for them?:)
<6> s/babies are made/much fun can be had/;
<0> Pizbit: I'm not being paid to screw
<6> smsie: you do it because you enjoy it eh?
<0> whyzzyrd: I screw her because I love her, and she likes it and I like it and it's a really good way to express love
<0> I am doing the website because she asked and I love her :)
<2> smsie: When you say you're screwing the customer usually it means you're stealing all their money.
<0> Pizbit: I know, I Was enjoying a play on words :)
<0> she couldn't afford to pay me for this work anyway
<2> Meanie:)
<0> I've spent about 15 hours on it so far
<6> smsie: You trading time for time then?
<0> it will be at least as much again before I'm done (more likely to be a total of about 3o hours or so)
<6> smsie: Websites can indeed get very time consuming, and expensive.
<0> whyzzyrd: no, I'm trading time for nothing. I'm giveing her the time because she's deserving of it :)
<0> if I were to charge her what I would sharge someone else, it would be 4-5k
<0> as it is, she'll make me a nice meal and screw my braisn out, so I'm probably doing quite well out of it :)
<6> smsie: quite.
<0> of course, she'd do those things *anyway*, but that's hardly the point
<6> heh
<6> MoNdYaLa-: English in here.
<5> quiet day
<2> yup
<2> Might go to sleep.
<5> hmm, 14:00 here. I think I should get myself something to eat ;)
<2> hrmpt
<2> Time to hit the sack, night.
<5> sleep well
<6> what time's the elven one normally appear?
<7> hmm
<5> whyzzyrd: later in the afternoon (local time) afaik. he comes and goes ;)
<5> whyzzyrd: you could perform the elven dance, see if that helps. Even if it doesn't it might be somewhat entertaining for us 8-)
<6> Lion-O: thanks, but I'll p*** on that one.
<8> hm, thunder
<6> cool. bad for electronics, but cool to look at.
<7> Rel, whyz, Lion-O
<9> hi, in linux suse gcc can i compile programs that use the socket library?
<5> chamel3on: try and find out ?
<9> i get errors when i do
<5> then it obviously doesn't work.
<9> that do not appear on unix
<9> can i find that library and add it to linux?
<5> chamel3on: its not an issue of gcc but what development libraries you installed.
<9> i installed everything for gcc fro the dvd
<10> chamel3on: Translation: Your petty little kiddie scripts won't work and you're too much of a ****wit to actually figure out what you had to do.
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