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<0> lates Lion-O
<1> wish i could take the day off and just code all day :)
<2> Hey
<2> ..anyone about?
<3> nope
<4> too late
<0> buffer pre fill response
<5> so i have one HD with a ton of data i want to save, but its NTFS
<5> how can i access this data if it is sitting on a linux machine
<5> (seconnd HD has OS)
<0> newbie730: load the ntfs module and mount it
<3> by reading your distros docs or googling or praying for the flying spaghetti monster to come rescue you
<6> newbie: you can read ntfs reliably under linux with the ntfs module. just copy it off somewhere else
<6> newbie730: either that, or find/burn a winpe rescue disk, and use that to copy the data someplace else
<5> libolt: thanks man, goggle is the greatest thing ever, glad i never thought of that
<5> i'll look into the ntfs stuff
<5> is there anyway to convert the format of the drive while preserving underlying data?
<6> no
<4> no
<6> well, conditionally no :)
<4> DaveHowe, er, NO
<6> partiion magic can apparently interconvert between ntfs and fat
<7> no.
<7> haha. i dont care if it does do that, the answer is still "no"
<6> and windoze can convert from fat to ntfs (but not back) with the "convert" command
<4> You cannot convert from NTFS to a "native" linux filesystem.
<4> and you would not want to.
<5> ok
<6> Ka-bar: true. you can convert to fat though, which is read-write under linux. not advised, but possible
<5> so if i have a windows machine with NTFS, and an NTFS HD on a linux machine, can i share files between all drives involved?
<4> DaveHowe, Yeah, but I wouldn't trust the NTFS -> FAT conversion. too much meta-data to lose.
<6> gonna be much, much easier to get a HD from someplace and copy the data across using ntfs read only though
<5> i can do that at work and burn onto DVD
<5> alright ... i think i see a way out of this
<5> man this sure isn't easy
<6> Ka-bar: well, one issue in the down-conversion is the small-file storage. its handled completely differently (and much better) In ntfs, so there might not be enough room to convert....
<4> true
<4> ntfs is slightly less wasteful
<6> plus of course there is the 2gb per file storage limit in fat
<0> newbie730: any conversion of the drive is dangerous. linux can read ntfs just fine, just not write
<5> well, what i want to do is setup a data server with a linux machine, but clients to it will be windows
<5> jus wannt to make sure data is not messed up when p***ingn along the different OSs
<0> that's no problem
<4> newbie730, I think the consensus is that you load the ntfs module, mount the filesystem, copy the files off.
<4> newbie730, and with Samba, the windows clients won't know the difference.
<4> hi tavi-san
<4> good night, tavi-san
<4> :)
<0> j0 tavi-san
<8> Hrm...anyone know of tape backup software for linux that supports autoloaders
<6> iirc the ultrium-based autoloaders from ibm come with *nix software
<6> not sure if it is needed though - iirc those present to the os as though they were one long tape rather than a sequence
<6> you checked with the manu about linux support?
<8> DaveHowe: This is an old SGI autoloader, and it identifies itself as an HP autoloader with DLT drive
<9> vreau si eu nonlogine
<9> are careva
<10> dhgdh: english in here
<6> might be ok then - hp used to focus primarily on their unix servers for their dlt solutions
<6> of course that software would be compiled for hpux on their risc chips, rather than linux/intel
<8> DaveHowe: Right...and of course I don't have any of that software. I just have the drives.
<8> I was sort of hoping that someone might know if there is some third party software out there that can be used, preferably open source
<1> hrm. I took a bunch of screenshots of smp-encode GTK+ ...which is almost ready for release...
<11> hi
<11> I just installed Suse 10, and I'm having a problem with ntp
<12> jeez, what a fullon day
<11> just wondering if someone could help me please
<12> Seven7: have you read the manual yet?
<11> yep
<11> When I use ntpdate for example "ntpdate time.nist.gov" I get an error saying "no server suitable for synchronization found"
<11> I tried "ntpdate -d time.nist.gov"
<11> and it seems to connect to the server
<11> but it appears that the info coming back isn't what it should be, which is triggering that error
<11> I just can't figure out how to fix it
<12> Seven7: well, works fine for me. is the debug output giving a line like "server 192.43.244.18, port 123" anywhere?
<11> yep
<11> I'd need to reboot into linux
<11> brb
<13> Hell-O
<11> I'll do it and come back to the channel
<11> brb
<12> Seven7: perhaps paste the entire output into a pastebin
<0> that's becaus nist.time.gov is not a time server
<8> DaveHowe: Never mind. I think Amanda is going to do the trick for me
<13> why are new versions of wine so broken?
<12> Wells: amanda is a dog ;P (if you're talking about the backup system)
<8> Cynic: Any other suggestions?
<0> delt: it matches windows too closely?
<13> maybe because i need to delete my ~/.wine directory
<12> Wells: nope ;)
<8> Cynic: Bah.
<13> XyZzY yeah my thoughts exactly (: (:
<8> Cynic: So long as it handles my autoloader, I will be happy. It only has to backup one machine.
<12> Wells: i've only used it on a single 8-tape changer -- all the big tape silos used Legato or *shudder* ADSM for AIX
<12> i should have shuddered for Legato, too, actually
<12> maybe i just hate backup systems ;P
<8> Cynic: Well...this is for a six tape DLT loader.
<12> should be fine
<13> how do you do legato across multiple strings?
<12> the labelling system confused me
<13> /usr/bin/legato | strings doesn,t work
<12> delt: are you trying some kind of musical pun on me? ;P
<8> Cynic: Of course, I have two of them. I will see if I can get it to work on one before I add the second one in.
<12> oh
<13> microsoft products are generally far beyond my patience.
<8> Cynic: It comes with the vibrato package...
<14> is there anyone here that has had success in getting a ms windows license refund?
<13> ariel my grandfather once knew a guy whose uncle's friend had tried
<15> ariel__: I think you're in the wrong channel.
<12> siglite: i think he's talking about the old story (possibly urban legend?) about a guy buying a laptop, booting it up in store, saying no to MS's EULA, formatting the hdd. and getting a refund for windows. I've never seen that work in practice.
<12> yeah ok, it's still offtopic :P
<16> if i have two subnets in a network, one with 192.168.0.2/244 and the other with 192.168.1.2/244 - should their subnet mask _both_ be 255.255.255.0 ?
<16> or one 0.0 and the other 255.0
<17> to broadcast to both, it would be a 16-bit subnet mask
<17> 255.255.0.0.
<6> they should both be 255.255.255.0 - or you don't have two subnets, you have one that is partially misconfigured
<6> you might also have a single supernet - 192.168.0/23 which spans both - so 192.168.0.1 thru 192.168.1.254
<6> for which the subnet mask would be 255.255.254.0
<0> this is one of the funnier ones out there SFW http://www.herdthinners.com/
<0> (IMO)
<6> it all depends on why you want to have two subnets
<18> XyZzY: SFW urls are off topic and not allowed, on the other hand NSFW urls are expected, and welcome often.
<18> :)
<6> if you are vlanning, you probably don't want to supernet :)
<18> DaveHowe: or using software that expects bcast to be $1.$2.$3.255
<0> JackStorm: AH so this then http://www.pawn.se
<6> JackStorm: its possible. however, when did you last see cl***ful software?
<18> DaveHowe: my TiVo
<18> DaveHowe: Windows XP Pro
<18> DaveHowe: I'm gonna flood if I keep going.
<6> xp isn't cl***ful - I know this, as i hae used it on supernetted networks....
<6> willing to believe it about tivos though :)
<18> DaveHowe: watch your traffic, XP does bcast discoveries not on your bcast address but on the .255 sometimes.
<18> DaveHowe: hell even two of my debian servers add in *.0.0 network routes for a /27 I have.
<6> JackStorm: yup, for old-style windows-for-workgroups traffic
<18> DaveHowe: just don't get me started on my PS2
<6> ok, I won't :)
<6> of course he could just use 10.0.0.0/8 and be done with it - that's even cl***ful :)
<18> DaveHowe: good, took me the last 4days to get it back on network and working properly (and in the midst I had a WRT54G that went and borked it's self)
<18> DaveHowe: there ya go, those work nicely, I use them alot.
<6> don't wrt54g's come preborked these days now cisco own them?
<18> DaveHowe: not if you know what you are doing...but this is a v2 that was working fine when I had to evac for Katrina (takes me 6hours to tear everything down, and months to get it all back up)
<16> DaveHowe: i have a controllling subnet 10.0.0.1/255
<16> and the a router at the top of both subnets.
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