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<0> and I should really study now.. later geeks!
<1> study what?
<2> yoz: see ya.. good luck on the study
<3> i.e. do I need my thunderbird to communicate with an exchange server?
<2> menthdusa: try thinking this over really hard.
<1> would probably be easier without it..
<0> Lion-O: thanks ;)
<4> menthdusa, I don't know, do you?
<3> why, it's not possible? I am not a techie in server/protocol related issues
<3> obbiously thunderbird cannot talk to an exchange server.
<2> menthdusa: so why do you want to try things different from what MS tells you in their documentation ?
<4> It's not so much a function of the mail server as it is the standards that the mail clients are using. I have a friend who uses Outlook to send me calendar events and I can red them with Kmail and put them in my Korganizer calendar. Not sure about Thunderbird, though.
<2> just use some common sense.. Very hard for some people with an IQ of 3 but ok.. You have a browser and want to contact a groupware server. Problem. Perhaps if that groupware server has a web-interface.....
<1> Lion-O: browser? thunderbird != firefox :)
<2> K_F: hmm ?
<3> Lion-O, IQ must be 2
<1> but thunderbird doesn't even have a calendar per se
<4> Lion-O, he's talking about thunderbird
<2> lessee
<4> and with Outlook/Exchange, calendar events are just p***ed around as specially formatted email messages.
<2> mozilla-thunderbird - Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client
<2> oh my god. thats even easier.
<3> <4> and with Outlook/Exchange, calendar events are just p***ed around as specially formatted email messages.
<2> menthdusa: lets see. Exchange: mail server which serves smtp/pop3 (among other things). Thunderbird: e-mail client which can grab mail from pop3 and send mail through smtp. You do the math, ok ?
<3> that's precisely what I am trying to figure out.. if there is an encoding
<3> that is "open"
<2> encoding ?
<2> wtf are you blabbering about ?
<3> encoding = specially formatted
<4> If somebody sends me a calendar event from Outlook, and I open it in Kmail and click on the "accept" link, it jumps into my Korganizer calendar.
<2> e-mail client - e-mail server. Simple.
<1> Lion-O: the calendar events are p***ed as specially crafted MIME-messages
<2> K_F: that wasn't his original message
<1> he rambled something about calendar events, but he didn't make much sense
<4> menthdusa, Reading the channel FAQ, http://faq.linuxops.net will reduce the likelihood of your getting an icepick in the ear.
<3> jeeez eye for a lion
<2> K_F: and yeah, this is perfectly possible when you're using the entire suite.
<2> K_F: If the idiot would know about Exchange and such....
<5> hi. how do I run smth as different user from shell?
<2> kostya: "man su"
<5> I don't have interactive shell to use "su"
<2> kostya: why do you think it has to be interactive?
<4> kostya, well then, you're out of luck
<3> aw well, guess I'll have to ask someone who doesn't have a broom up his *** :-) or an IQ <= 2
<5> Lion-O: cause "su user && whoami" won't work
<2> kostya: thats why you should read the manualpage for 'su'.
<2> read up on how to make it execute a command or something like that.
<5> I got the answer... freebsd's su and linux are different
<2> uh huh
<5> thanks
<4> ID 10 T
<3> BTW, for future reference (for the uneducated lions): irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird (an email client) or #firefox (a browser). Sorry had to spell it for the feline
<2> well, what can we say but "sympatico" :P
<2> amazing, I just read an online freebsd manpage for "su" and the only difference I spot is "su [-] [-flms] [-c cl***] [login [args]]" ('cl***') but when looking at the examples I see it does exactly the same.
<6> damn canadians, eh?
<6> Lion-O: I dunno if I'd make that generalisation
<2> Nanuq: not really, but I do notice a lot of cluebies coming from that specific ISP. Same with aol.com.
<6> Lion-O: But most competent people, ***uming they have the choice, will go with a superior DSL provider.
<7> Lion-O, you good with mysql?
<6> Lion-O: *points at self*
<2> fredk: hmm, I know my way around, yeah.
<7> Lion-O, you know how to optimize it decent too?
<2> fredk: define "optimize" ? If you refer to specificly setting stuff like memory usage and the likes (record_buffer, key_buffer_size, myisam_sort_buffer_size) etc, etc. Then yeah, to a certain extend.
<7> Lion-O, yep, thats what i'm referring to. This site i'm helping with has a traffic which can only be categorized as insane :)
<2> hehehe
<7> it's flattening out at about 40megabits
<8> g'night Nanuq
<7> which is where I believe the sql server wont have it anymore
<8> speaking of MySQL, has anyone tried 5.0 yet? i'm curious to hear impressions
<1> of course I have
<1> I likeit
<1> like it*
<1> well, I did untill today
<2> fredk: hmm... I don't know nothing about that being a specific limit for it. I do know that at certain loads its wise to setup a slave server (or more) in a cluster like solution.
<1> but that isn't entirely mysql's fault, or not its fault at all really
<2> mod-: so far its working pretty nice for me. I just didn't got the time yet to look at transactions and all that stuff, so far I never needed it.
<1> but it sort of made it hard to move a site from server A to server B, and server A crashed
<7> Lion-O, Yeah, I know.. am looking at doing that, found a software that does it.
<1> Lion-O: you've had that for a while in InnoDB
<1> stored procedures are nice though
<1> much cleaner code
<7> Lion-O, http://www.continuent.com/
<2> fredk: HUH? What do you mean 'a software' ?
<2> fredk: it shouldn't be that hard to set this up with 2 native mysql servers.
<7> Continuent m/cluster, they offer multi muster replication with mysql :)
<2> K_F: *nod*
<7> multi master too
<2> fredk: but MySQL itself already does that for you :P
<7> Lion-O, not that i'm aware of, without alot of hacking
<7> you can easily setup slave servers, but you cant do updates on them
<8> Lion-O: i see
<7> or am I missing anything?
<2> fredk: Well, that part I'm not too sure about but even if that is true why bother anyway? You can tell the master to delegate the requests, even update requests, thus lowering your full load. I'd have to lookup the specific stuff though.
<7> I've been playing with it, but it all seems rather hackish :)
<7> this software seems to do the trick, and I have people to blame when things go blue..heh
<2> fredk: yups, that is always an important issue.
<7> Yeah
<2> fredk: still, you could check if optimising can do the trick to get it to become less flakey but that takes time.
<7> Yeah, atleast to get a little more out of it.
<2> fredk: I basicly stick to "compile optimalisation" / "parameter optimalisation" and then you have your configfile setup.
<7> Mem: 4151320k total, 1441532k used, 2709788k free, 133728k buffers
<7> load average: 30.23, 26.86, 25.15
<2> fredk: this is a place where Linux is lacking dtrace support big time ;)
<7> :)
<2> fredk: I'm not that familiar with dtrace yet mind you, but it does make it damn easy to disect your entire process and the impact it has on your servers so that you can start with the knowledge what is causing the overhead.
<7> Yeah
<2> fredk: still, that is quite a drastic load indeed. I'd definatly consider getting a second server to spread the load.
<7> Yeah :) For sure
<7> I've already setup clustered web
<7> one @ load average: 5.54, 5.67, 6.08 second @ load average: 11.21, 7.05, 6.19
<2> wow
<7> there's over 400 requests/second
<7> php requests at that
<2> fredk: I guess I could show you my 2.00 load on my Blade server but it just wouldn't be very impressive I guess 8)
<7> hehe, i've never seen a site go this crazy
<2> fredk: thats quite heavy indeed. php can also be a resource hog.
<9> good evening everybody :)
<7> Yeah, it can be
<2> fredk: I've seen that happening on my server (very low scaled mind you) where it simply does some very icky things :/
<7> mm
<7> errtu, linux virtual server? :P
<9> yup
<2> fredk: I'm currently checking how well SunONE compares to it.
<7> thats cool, I did on a webbox yesterday
<7> well two :)
<2> crocodilu: we don't give a damn, leave that crap out of the channel.
<9> tried a failover today when ~150 clients were connected; nobody disconnected :)
<7> cool, but wouldnt the apps they use die?
<9> nope
<10> heya Lion-O
<11> alo Sunblade, Lion-O, fredk, *
<7> errtu, how so? Maybe i'm lagging :)
<9> not even the obscure msdos/unix/whatever app stayed connected
<9> -not
<7> isnt the app run on a specific server?
<10> Teakk
<7> Teakk ;)
<9> no, it's installed on the ts, but it makes an tcp connection to another server
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