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<0> wlfshmn: You can set them up as tripwire, clapper(or other remote detonator) or daisychained. You ain't seen **** until you've set off 6 daisychained claymores with a group of people standing about 15m from it.
<0> D-side: OP4 is the actual term for Opposing Force.
<1> just checking to see if i should **** on you. :)
<0> heh
<2> Falchion: Yeah. But .se (politically) considers a tripwire claymore an anti-personal mine, and unlike the US, we have signed off against those ;)
<0> D-side: And tango IS the legit term for a bad guy as well :P It's not just Counterstrike speak :)
<1> i dont do Counterstrike.
<3> Falchion: we did that once, set up a cardboard squad in dense foliage in a tactical column, 20m in front of the first guy we had three claymores wired in a fan. Lets say the whole cardboard squad was well perforated.
<1> though I should, since I have it source-ified.
<0> wlfshmn: pshaw.
<2> Falchion: not to say our military don't go by common sense and set them up tripwire if the need to. if the politcians want to do it diffrently, they can borrow a uniform.
<3> Falchion: the lead "guy" looked like someone spilled a few boxes of shredded wehat.
<0> siglite: *snicker* Yeah, we had a perfect setup outside Malto. We're like, "****ers are going to run through this area, along the ditch and out this way... Lets setup a suprise for them." We were right and they went right by the ambush perfectly.
<0> wlfshmn: The US army isn't supposed to doubletap if an op4 is down. **** that. A liv op4 behind us if we ***ault through? **** that ****.
<3> with 5.56, more is better.
<0> wlfshmn: Rules and regulations are great and all but meaningless in combat.
<0> siglite: Well yeah, since the 5.56 is supposed to injure more than kill.
<2> Falchion: Malto? some place in central america I suppose?
<0> wlfshmn: yeha, NE of Panama.
<4> falchion: learn how to shoot, 1 shot 1 kill
<0> evilelf: Uh, considering I acted as my section's sniper: blow me :P A 5.56 is a ****ty sniping round, my friend. it is DESIGNED to injure more than kill dude.
<4> falchion: shooting their **** may seem like killing them, but when shot in the head, they tend not to move much
<4> Indeed, but the point is to kill, not to injure
<0> evilelf: Tell you what, I'd love to see you shoot someone in the head while they're shooting at you.
<0> evilelf: How long were you in the military?
<4> long enough :)
<2> I thought the idea was to injure if possible (unless you are p***ing through them ofcoursE), since then they need to tie up resources getting their wounded out of the way
<0> evilelf: How long? What branch?
<4> falchion: 6 years, combat engineer (22nd, 4th squad)
<0> wlfshmn: yep. In theory 2 people to carry 1 injured. But that was ***umed because of stretchers. But still one extra guy at that moment to carry the injured guy.
<4> falchion: for reference, the 22nd here is french... good ol' grunts from hell
<0> evilelf: Combat engineer. And you want to tell an infantryman how to shoot?
<1> oh boy.
<5> haha
<1> here its going to get ugly
<0> Not only an infantryman but an infantryman whos father was a firearms dealer?
<5> I stayed out, I was a siggie with the engineers, no place shooting a rifle really ;)
<0> Flimflam: heh
<0> Only time I ever saw Combat engineers actually in the field was when we came across a minefield. And WE ended up clearing it, not them.
<0> Of course that was in training. Being infantry, I'd never see one during real combat.
<4> falchion: hahaha, looks like it ;)
<4> falchion: that'd be the US army for you, I was with the canucks ;)
<5> I was with the British army
<0> evilelf: So, so a pretend military, Doh, forgot about that.
<5> I worked with the US a bit, on a unit "exchange" program
<4> hah, those ****
<6> way too many of you have been in the forces.
<4> it always end up in the biggest **** contest
<0> Flimflam: Vice versa here :) Actually ran into a guy that I knew from when I lived in Hastings. heh
<5> wasn't so impressed with the general discipline there, good guys though
<3> though, I'm playing it kind of fast and loose with the term "breeched"
<0> siglite: I ran through a field once. Never even knew it until the next day. Myself and the two other guys in my section had no frickin' clue how lucky we were.
<3> because saddam's minefields were surface laid, and fully marked per the genevan convention.
<3> s/genvan/geneva/
<0> Flimflam: discipline? In the US Army/ hahahah ;)
<3> so you could walk through them.
<2> siglite: geneva doesn't require marked does it? just documented
<6> i didn't know saddam was so considerate.
<3> but we line-charged the ****er just to use some ordinance.
<6> that's interesting, considering how much of a villain the m*** media make him out to be.
<3> wlfshmn: requires marked. With a specific sign.
<2> siglite: well that makes it rather pointless
<5> Falchion: Our CO awarded them with a "gift" pack at the end of the week, their drill was embar***ing to watch
<5> especially going upto a Colonel ;)
<3> NineVolt: The theory we were hearing from our higher-ups is that his minefields were designed to keep his guys in more than us out.
<6> ha
<2> siglite: half the use of a mine, I would imagine, is the pure terror of not knowing if that field realy -is- clear
<3> wlfshmn: mines serve exactly one combat purpose. Delay.
<2> siglite: hehe, that makes sense I suppose
<0> Flimflam: heh yeah. I'll never forget being dismissed by a lt colonel when I just turned and left. My Sgt shouted louder than I've ever heard. heh
<3> minefields are designed to delay an advancing unit, preferably in an area pre-targeted by arty or other weapons systems. "stop 'em here, where we can blast the **** out of 'em"
<0> wlfshmn: Mines and snipers: the only two things that scared me in the army.
<5> Haha Falchion
<3> Falchion: I'd add NBC to that list.
<0> siglite: exactly. if there is a minefield then you can bet there are eyes on.
<3> NBC is some skeery ****.
<0> siglite: I love the trianign they give in case of a nuclear blast :)
<3> Falchion: yeah, we kinda laughed about that.
<5> haha, nuke training was great
<6> duck and cover?
<1> NineVolt: damnit
<2> Falchion: what? duck and hold on to your balls?
<1> beat me to it
<5> "lie on the floor with your arms under you" was basically the plan
<6> heh
<3> yeah. It boiled down to "uh, it aint' gonna matter."
<3> "so do something like take cover if it makes you feel better."
<5> haha
<6> it shoulda been "ululate while you still can"
<0> Flimflam: yup. Cover your nuts, keep your k-pot to the ground, etc, etc. My best friend was the NBC sgt for my unit. he goes, "That's to give false security so troops don't flee". ha.
<3> Falchion: yep.
<3> the scaryiest possibility on the battlefield though is the blister agent.
<0> Even worse is bio or chem attack stuff. Glad I had skills so i wouldnt' be the Funky Chicken Dance guy.
<3> blister agents are *BAD*
<5> NBC on the whole is a nasty, nasty thing
<2> blister agents?
<3> nerve and choking agents are bad, but blister agents are ****ing horrific
<0> Any time that you are in full MOP gear and someone comes up to you, with a couple other people, and asks to inspect your weapon, say "**** no" and make sure that ****er is loaded.
<0> siglite: Ebil ****. :/
<2> Falchion: hum?
<3> wlfshmn: blister agents are very persistent liquid or aerosol munitions
<3> wlfshmn: they cause horrific burning and blisters to skin, lungs, mucus membranes.
<2> siglite: ouch
<3> wlfshmn: the particularly nasty ones remain in powerful concentrations within thier own blister.
<0> wlfshmn: ?
<0> Oh, the funky chicken dance guy?
<3> wlfshmn: so when the blister pops, everything the ooze touches will in turn blister
<7> do the NBC guys still make the trainees decon themseves with a drop of mustard?
<2> Falchion: I didn't get the point about the weapon inspectionthing
<0> wlfshmn: basicaly it's this (others correct me if I miss part):
<7> I used to know a NBC guy with a nice little scar on his forearm
<2> Falchion: and yeah, the funkey chinken I didn't get either
<3> wlfshmn: the nasty part about blister agents (***ide from the horrific medical effects) is that they are very persistent in the environment. Can last up to 180 days.
<3> TenBaseT: journeyman CEBs in the corps do a live nerve-gas chamber, then decon.
<3> TenBaseT: you'll note that I was not a journeyman CEB, and uh, that's one of the reasons.
<2> siglite: 180 days, and meanwhile the area is completely dead?
<7> siglite: the NBC school used to put a drop of mustard on the guys bare forearm and then tell him to clean it off.
<5> We only got CS gas in our training, standard NBC stuff for us, though
<3> wlfshmn: yeah, blister agents are an area denial weapon.
<3> wlfshmn: the fortunate part is that blister agents are so goddamned nasty, that even the worst bad guys won't handle them.
<7> Which is fortunately.
<2> TenBaseT: Time to pull up the knife and carve?
<2> TenBaseT: We still have the occational fishing crew killed or hurt by mustard gas here
<7> because taking a dump at mopp4 is something you dont want to do.
<5> mopp4 being the highest NBC alert?
<3> heh this is true.
<3> Flimflam: next to highest
<5> we called it 3-Romeo iirc
<5> Ah.
<3> mopp5 is the highest, but it's not really that much higher than mopp4
<0> Er, I thought 4 was the highest? boots and gloves on
<0> What's 5? Christ it's been ages
<3> mopp4 is full gear. Mopp5 is full gear plus a poncho.
<7> I'm pretty sure that if I was mopped up in a live environment I'd **** down my pants leg
<2> Falchion: adds on the nut-grabbing, rpobably ;)
<0> Oh, poncho. Ha. :)
<0> wlfshmn: hehe
<3> and the only time mopp5 will ever really be of any use is in a blister environment.
<7> I'd rather deal with poo in my pants than blisters on my browneye
<0> TenBaseT: Dude, no worries about ****ting yourself in mopp. Eat MREs for a week and that won't be an issue
<7> Falchion: cheese to bind.
<2> Falchion: ouch
<3> like, when an AN25 is flying over with the big ***ed pipes sticking out the back spraying you with aerosol nasty. Yeah, good time to put the poncho on.
<2> Falchion: time back at base starts with a bottle of laxativE? ;)
<0> the funniest "GAS GAS GAS" situation I was in was when we blew up a coke storage building with 2 grenades trying to clear it and had white smoke billowing out from the windows. Turns out the two op4 in the building ODed breathing that **** in.
<0> wlfshmn: No, it starts with a bottle of Vaseline to spank the monkey and then a shower.
<2> Falchion: poetic justice ;)
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