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<0> CLI?????
<1> GeneZar: Do you know me well enough to call me Polar, and do I know you well enough to allow it?
<2> Clear and Loud Isn't? :P
<0> what means that, DaveHowe i didnt get it this acronym :S
<3> KaiTekk: give me a sec I will get you the url
<2> hehehehe, Sorry Polar, nick too long
<2> nasty :P
<3> been all over the geek news this week though :)
<2> what's has been on the news Dave?
<4> If I remember correctly, it was trolling here yesterday.
<3> GeneZar: the microsoft/ISO thing
<4> And there goes /msg
<5> trolling is against the rules? :'(
<2> ah, yeah
<1> NineVolt: Depends who's doing it and whether or not he or she is any good at it
<5> ah, fair enough then.
<1> I appreciate a good troll like the next guy
<5> i'm of slashdot caliber.
<4> You're stupid?
<5> context.
<5> i'm of slashdot caliber with respect to trolling ability.
<2> somebody going to Mix?
<5> you left off the "in soviet russia..." and a tinfoil hat reference.
<5> anyone here know anything about power over ethernet?
<3> NineVolt: in soviet russia, natalie portman statues beowulf YOU
<5> much better.
<5> speaking of beowulf.. if any of you remember scott bao...
<2> Dave, you meaned the ISO site? for the hacked Xbox?
<5> in high school english cl*** we were forced to write and perform plays in groups of 3..
<5> my group did "scott baowulf"
<5> it was as amazing as it sounds.
<5> scott bao being charles from 'charles in charge'
<5> no power over ethernet then?
<6> NineVolt: used it in an install of some VoIP phones (cisco) once... didn't dig too deep into it though
<3> GeneZar: http://public.research.att.com/~bs/uk-objections.pdf
<2> NineVolt searh the donk network
<7> NineVolt: I use it to power wireless points, and the odd fone
<6> Lion-O: done borking boxen? :)
<8> beer time
<8> Zymurgy: hmmm
<2> Thanks Dave
<2> interesting
<2> Lion: Heineken?
<2> :P
<8> nah.
<2> hehe, Corona?
<8> eeew, even worse
<1> Pisswater
<2> hehehehe
<2> easy on the Mex beers,
<2> try NocheBuena
<2> :)
<8> PolarWolf: hmm, pisswater or a mere sodadrink
<1> GeneZar: Heineken I mean, dimwit
<9> mexican beers...like *** in a canoe
<2> if you can get it,
<2> hehe
<2> Indio, Modelo, Noche Buena, Huevo de TOro
<2> :)
<8> heineken is merely a corn beer, not even real. At least over here, dunno about their export products.
<9> Lion-O: the expert is crap
<2> I mostly dring national beers, but heineken from time to time
<5> well i'm building a... 'weather station'...
<2> and yes, it does goes like water
<5> it'll have an ethernet interface to a pc, and ideally it would get power over it too.
<2> NineVolt, that's why you need the power over ethernet?
<5> yea.
<5> i mean, i could power it with batteries. or solar panels. or both.
<2> but the power is only for low voltage equipment, isn't?
<2> like voip phones
<10> "power over Ethernet" == "etherkiller" ;)
<5> i don't see how voip phones are significantly less of a power drain than a weather station.
<11> Where muh bitches?
<11> Yo.
<5> and as far as i know, you can deliver several watts over a 50ft cat5
<2> well, I haven't work with weather stations
<10> NineVolt, if you use 10Base-5, you can draw power from the AUI ;)
<5> too obscure.
<10> hardly
<11> Eh. Why not just run PoE?
<7> POE is -48V at up to 15.6W.
<5> what?
<3> nothing wrong with poe - it uses spare wires on the rj45; its not like there aren't 4 spares
<5> i thought all 4 pairs were used.
<7> DaveHowe: sort-of. GigE PoE is wierd.
<2> http://www.poweroverethernet.com/
<5> i tried reading the poe spec, 802.3af
<5> note "tried"
<11> NineVolt: Depends<tm> on what kind of interface you are using. 10baseT and 100baseTX use 2 of the pairs.
<11> NineVolt: I appologize, but what are you trying to do?
<5> so... why is there 4 pairs? :P
<5> power a weather station.
<5> (that i'm building)
<5> it's gonna be hooked up to a pc via ethernet.
<9> NineVolt: Because[tm]
<11> NineVolt: Differant standards.
<5> and while i could battery/solar power it, power over the interface would be nicer.
<5> because it's a senior project i got stuck with.
<7> NineVolt: Cisco switch docs ought to be fairly clear. If you're using 100M, you could just run 12V up the spare pairs, a la linksys.
<5> i wanted to evaluate the feasibility of using feedforward neural networks for image interpolation
<2> NineVold are you on dope? :P
<11> NineVolt: So why not place an inline tap that introduces low voltage AC over the 2 unused pairs?
<5> it won't mess up the NICs on both ends?
<11> NineVolt: Alot of NICs only include 4 pins.
<3> NineVolt: shoudln't do. you are using spare pairs ,and can even dike out those wires once you have taken out the voltage from them
<2> as long as you don't touch the wrong pairs
<2> hehe
<5> the nic on one side is gonna be 'any' pc ethernet nic..
<3> NineVolt: I would use a rj45 chockblock (rj45-rj45 connector) and tap out a pair
<5> and the other side is gonna be a dallas semiconductor TINI
<5> a microcontroller with a built in ethernet nic.
<3> stick a standard casemount power socket on both ends
<11> DaveHowe: Right, but there can always be interference. Even though there is an RFC for running telephone over a spare pair, it's not ALWAYS the best thing to do.
<5> i'm only designing the one end.
<5> ideally it would plug right into any PC and work.
<2> well, nice talking to you guys
<3> CancerMan: indeed. that is why dc is much better; but if you need ac, then its an option. I have seen cat5 run in the same conduits as mains supply without any real problems
<2> have to leave
<7> NineVolt: you won't get power out a standard PC card. You'd need an injector.
<5> well i mean i can also have an injector
<7> DaveHowe: I've seen some real real nasty things.
<5> so long as it's just something you plug right into an electric socket and a standard pc ethernet card without breaking anything.
<11> Howe: Right. However, DC dosn't always make sense over long runs.
<5> it's supposed to be designed with a consumer market in mind.
<3> whyzzyrd: yup. seen some complete bitches there too
<5> ah, i think i get it though.
<3> CancerMan: which is why I would recommend a tap - you could introduce the power feed at some convenient point near the final destination, where it can be plugged into a wall socket
<5> i figured there was some magic way to drain power off the data lines or something :P
<3> then pull it back out just before the cable enters the device, and supply it direct to the normal power socket on the device
<5> yea, i think i got it.
<12> I just bought an HP iPAQ rx 1950
<12> windows mobile 5
<11> DaveHowe: True, but I always ***-ume that the PoE is being used because power is nowhere near the destination.
<11> ...like with our wireless access points.
<11> But right... tap it in, then tap it off.
<3> CancerMan: yup. in which case, you can often offer the load, then check voltage drop over the remote end - and up the injection voltage until you get out what you want
<5> in this case, the weather station will be outdoors (obviously)
<11> DH: Question is, is he building something that the customer would install, or a professional service tech?
<5> it's bad enough that you'll have to have a cat5 ran to it, i'd rather not have to run an extension cord too.
<5> and no, this is a senior project.
<5> school only.
<11> Ok. So "whatever" works. :P
<8> hmm, time to install XP. Funny thing is that now I notice the vmware server is actually more responsive.
<8> I recall installing XP and barely being able to do something else on my machine. but now... very interesting.
<11> I want a new duck.
<1> CancerMan: You don't want to know how I read that for a moment
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