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<Jostein> any couch you cant fall asleep in, is no good
<Lion-O> there we go.. One menubar out of my way and tucked into its own cl*** so that I'll have full control over the actions it'll perform :)
<Lion-O> now to see if I can run it 8)
<Antonis-> my girlfriend is a masochist
<Antonis-> what do I do
<Lion-O> we're not interested.
<mike2_> Lion-O: language
<Antonis-> can linux do something about it ?
<mike2_> bbl
<SilverspurG> hm. screen -x is still using the other screen size.
<libolt> hrm need to go put a couple of my old athlon XP cpus in systems, my 4 athlon 64s aren't keeping this room warm enough :P
<Liandrin> libolt: heh
<SilverspurG> dum deedely doo da dum doo da day dum
<Jostein> SilverspurG: screen -d -r
<SilverspurG> Jostein: I didn't really want to detach it from the other one.
<Jostein> have it your way :P
<SilverspurG> But the other one had around 140x80. this is a 80x60 console.
<SilverspurG> nothing was wrapping correctly. I missed what libolt said.
<SilverspurG> re libolt
<libolt> there we are now my kde and gnome apps look mostly the same
<libolt> yo
<SilverspurG> how much work did that take?
<libolt> not too much, usng the baghira theme on kde with the crystal-clear icons, using another macos-x like theme on the gnome apps I use with the gnome version of the crystal-clear icons
<SilverspurG> which wm are you actually using?
<libolt> kde's builtin window manager with the baghira window decorations
<SilverspurG> if you've managed to get the two to look fairly similar is there a particular reason for your choice of KDE over Gnome?
<libolt> I've been using kde on my desktop since 2.0 came out, experimented with it originally in the 1.0 beta stage. I tried gnome 2.x out a couple of years ago and just didn't like the feel of it and the pains it took to configure certain aspects.
<SilverspurG> very understandable. neither one of them dominates too many system resources for you?
<libolt> I'd use kde's ability to apply styles to gnome/gtk+ apps but it tends to give the gnome/gtk apps menus a blue background that's annoying
<libolt> well I've got an athlon 64 3200 with 2 gigs of ram, even when I ran on 1 gig and 512MB kde ran smoothly for me
<SilverspurG> heya tchu
<SilverspurG> nice
<libolt> it only really starts crawling for me if I try and use kde's builtin transparency stuff and Xorg's transparency was a bit buggy still the last time I used it, plus it slowed down GL apps
<tchutchuca> hey libolt :o)
<SilverspurG> when was the last time you tried using drop shadows or transparency using Xdamage? Last I tried, about 8 months ago, it took 3-4 seconds to make a window transparent on a 400 MHz system.
<SilverspurG> and moving a transparent window was an exercise in prayer
<libolt> cheeksy: hello
<libolt> SilverspurG: few months back, it ran smoothly enough when it worked. I'm using the nvidia binary drivers
<libolt> I'll give it another shot when xorg 7.0 is unmasked in portage
<SilverspurG> do any KDE or Gnome apps make use of the new transparency/decorative features? Last I tried I had to use an add-on script that seemed to be a hack on the background at some layer.
<libolt> kde has builtin support for Xdamage and such, just configure it via the control center. I don't know about gnome
<SilverspurG> that's pretty cool. Enlightenment is the standard here. It's a bit lighter on system resources and I haven't noticed a registry type system popping up anywhere... I hope DR17 has Xdamage support
<libolt> I used E briefly a few years ago, DR17 was looking promising the last time I checked it out
<SilverspurG> the biggest hurdle for E is grabbing all of the parts and building them modularly as opposed to the old way.
<SilverspurG> but there's a freshmeat project out there to help with that. ebuild or something. it automates both retrieval and building.
<libolt> it looks as though gentoo has ebuilds DR17.. yeah ebuild is a gentoo feature. Though the DR17 one is masked right now atleast on amd64
<cappicard> meep!
<SilverspurG> I keep telling myself that I'm going to do another LFS and include DR17 ... but motivation has been severely lacking as of late.
<libolt> I tried out LFS 5-6 years ago to see what it was like to build a distro from the ground up, but it was too much of a headache to keep everything up to date manualy :)
<SilverspurG> I made it as far as backing up all of my files across all of my systems to the central repo and made it halfway through updating the config files for my installation engine. I haven't touched it in 4-5 days now.
<SilverspurG> heh. the question on CNN right now "Should prison inmates be entitled to their own bed?" Lawmakers are contemplating sleeping in shifts... at least I hope that's what it is.
<CryptoCat> ahah thats ****ing stupid
<CryptoCat> Lets remove what little humanity they have left.
<SilverspurG> I'm sure the argument is "they're in prison. they have no humanity"
<CryptoCat> That'll keep them from acting like animals.
<Liandrin> <sarcasn>they're prisoners, of course they're not human</sarcasm>
<dood> Well their human rights exist anywhere.
<phaseOne> no they dont
<dood> Well, there are exceptions.
<phaseOne> how about we just kill them all
<dood> How about we kill people like you?
<phaseOne> there is no reason to kill me
<Cynic> human rights are such nice fluffy ideas
<phaseOne> just what use is a criminal?
<SilverspurG> phaseOne: In terms of all fairness and humanity that might be a lot easier on them, as humans, than the current state of the penal system.
<CryptoCat> phaseOne: they are humans.
<phaseOne> criminals are the worthless **** of humanity
<CryptoCat> warezers and music stealers are criminals.
<CryptoCat> so ****em.
<phaseOne> sure they are humans
<CryptoCat> gas em.
<phaseOne> no reason not to kill them\
<SilverspurG> phaseOne: that's really out of line. you may argue that they've been deselected from common society... but to call them worthless **** is really just name-calling.
<dood> Other than they have an inalienable right to life?
<phaseOne> but what use are they?
<dood> It's not about use.
<CryptoCat> phaseOne: what use are you?
<SilverspurG> dood: oh? it's a cold hard world. where's the right to life?
<dood> I have no use.
<CryptoCat> phaseOne: a human doesnt need utility to justify its existence.
<phaseOne> they are harmful to society
<phaseOne> sure it does
<CryptoCat> no, it doesnt.
<phaseOne> thats the whole meaning of their life
<phaseOne> if you dont have a meaning, why should you live?
<SilverspurG> humans without utility are usually called "homeless"
<CryptoCat> your meaning is what you define it to be.
<dood> What's your meaning phaseOne?
<XyZzY> there is asever shortage of spacein prisons,yet it can be shown that a lot of criminals have a ever downward spiral of ever worse crimes.
<phaseOne> yes crpyto
<dood> What gives you the right to live and judge others?
<phaseOne> i program
<phaseOne> i dont go around killing people
<CryptoCat> I'm sure if you ask a prisoner, they can think of a hundred reasons they should live.
<CryptoCat> phaseOne: neither do 99.99% of criminals
<dood> You don't program for me; you must be useless.
<phaseOne> anyway
<dood> I'll be over it ten with a gun.
<CryptoCat> phaseOne: murder is a pretty low instance of incarceration.
<phaseOne> i could have a use for society
<CryptoCat> I dont have a use for you.
<phaseOne> what else? drug use
<phaseOne> you wanna save the heroine addicts?
<phaseOne> the crack heads?
<CryptoCat> yes, and yes.
<phaseOne> im sure there are some very intelligent people
<SilverspurG> if I remember correctly, 10% of the prison population is there on non-violent drug crimes. Most for marijuana.
<phaseOne> who have made bad choices
<phaseOne> but the majority of them are ****
<dood> Some addicts become productive members of society.
<SilverspurG> if I were in prison for a bag of reefer and I was forced to sleep in some fat nasty dudes bed for 6 months or a year... I'd probably not be a real functional member of society when I got out either.
<dood> SilverspurG: how's the pub doing?
<SilverspurG> dood: costs too much money. I've all but quit drinking.
<CryptoCat> you can drink at home cheaper than at a pub anyway
<dood> Did you get your p***port back?
<gnubee> you guys ever tried BeOS?
<SilverspurG> I don't even drink at home. It just plain costs too much money.
<dood> I know people who have gnubee.
<dood> I've not tried it myself.
<SilverspurG> gnubee: years and years and years ago when it was brand new
<CryptoCat> yeah, thats rough when there's naught enough money for that.
<dood> How did you find it?
<CryptoCat> I used BeOS way back when.
<gnubee> the developer edition 1.1 is free download
<gnubee> VERY FAST!!!!
<gnubee> boots in under 15 secs
<dood> Isn't it called Zeta now?
<CryptoCat> yeah, very fast because it doesnt do anything.
<dood> lol
<gnubee> hahaha
<CryptoCat> dos is very fast too
<docfu> damn heartburn!
<gnubee> CryptoCat, i mean this time it is a full OS with all the glory
<docfu> hey
<docfu> USE BEOS. it boots fast, you can't do anything with it, but at least it won't take any of your precious times
<gnubee> granting it is not running any services but just compare it with windoze
<XyZzY> BeOS is dead! long live BeOS?
<dood> I know the FS in BeOS is meant to be pretty hot for searches.
<dood> XyZzY: it's called Zeta now.
<SilverspurG> I'm pretty sure I saw a screenshot of GAIM running on BeOS
<docfu> silverspurg that was a photoshop
<SilverspurG> heh
<docfu> its all lies
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