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<0> gribouille: ****, you still here? WHy haven't you read the qmail docs yet?
<1> "So ****ing what? When I need to do something different I'll WRITE something different!"
<2> baggy: What did he say when you pointed out it only has to work in the one place and not elsewhere?
<1> so **** knows what he'll have done to my code when I return :(
<0> baggy: Just change it back again.
<1> Falchion: I don't think he understands that kind of reasoning
<3> Tron, where is it in the docs ?
<1> Tron: I will, believe me, I will :)
<0> gribouille: Read them and you will find out.
<4> baggy: you should have replied "as opposed to not working at all?" ;P
<1> RelDrgn: I suspect that's beyond him :)
<2> baggy: Ask him if he buys a 320 piece toolkit when he just needs a hammer.
<4> gribouille: heres a hint, search for the word "relay"
<1> then he comitted the ****ing cardinal sin IMO
<5> baggy: whoah! yes, I think you're right. People only learn programming in theory these days. They don't dive into the language and learn how to use their mind and intuition over pre-made crap.
<1> he was suggesting using exceptions to contrrol flow
<6> err.
<6> baggy: no, that is a dangerous notion that he needs to unlearn damn fast
<1> which is as bad as peppering your code with gotos (***uming java HAD a goto). It's okay in its place. But better than a clean small cl*** which WORKS? **** that!
<4> baggy: so in otherwords he wanted the exceptions to be the norm? :P
<6> baggy: else I'll be sending attack-badger after him at night
<1> RelDrgn: *groan*
<1> Lion-O: there's often too much emphasis placed on decoupling IMO
<5> baggy: *nod*, I tend to agree.
<1> if I need to do it again but slightly differently, that's what copy and paste are for!
<1> there's a slight bug in the framework which means that sometimes messages get spurious carriage returns added to them. Solution: aString=aString.replaceAll("\\r+", "\r");
<1> why the **** do I need to abstract that?
<7> baggy: because abstraction is the way to the holy grail
<1> why would I want the overhead of loading a helper cl***, method calls, p***ing parameters, etc
<0> baggy: Because the CONSULTANT says so! :)
<1> schitzo: *sometimes*
<1> Tron: yeah, the consultant who will ****ing DIE if he screws up my code
<0> baggy: Haha!
<7> baggy: just like you need to have a UserName Object which abstracts String and makes sure it's lowercase.
<1> schitzo: yeah. That just makes code ****ing HARD to read
<7> baggy: tell me about it
<1> it's *supposed* to make it easier to read, but it doesn't
<5> baggy: and thats why you have JavaDoc :P
<1> everything in its place
<7> Lion-O: real programmers don't comment. if it was hard to write it should be hard to read.
<1> oh, I comment liberally
<1> more for y benefit than anyone else's
<1> *I* won't rememer why I did something in 6 months
<5> schitzo: I disagree there. It can be very handy to document, easier to get into your code at a later time.
<7> Lion-O: yeah, that 'twas a joke
<7> and I comment for what baggy said. so I can remember what int eh hell I was doing 6 months downt he road
<1> I tend to document "why" rather than "how" though. I can ****ing SEE "how", the code is there. It's the "why" that can be confusing
<5> schitzo: errr... I must have left my cynic hat at home then ;)
<1> so my comments tend to be like /* because $BLAHSYSTEM ****ing ****s and flubbs its output contrary to their specification documentation, We have to do a deflubb */
<5> rofl
<1> if I *don't* to that, I won't remember why we're doing some weird***ed ****
<8> no real programmer comments. if they are good programmers, the code explains itself, and if they are bad programmers, they don't want other people understanding....
<1> I rarely comment closing braces...very very occasionally, but not often
<1> I probbaly should, but can't be arsed
<7> I comment closing } if the start one is way the hell up where I'll have to scroll up to see
<1> that's what indentation is for :)
<9> good code is hard to write, it should be hard to read as well
<6> schitzo: a good IDE will do prace and parenthases matching for you you know ;)
<1> ****, *vi* will do brace matching for you :)
<7> wlfshmn: yeah, but I sometimes like to know if it's ending a for() or if() or something like that way above.
<7> not so much for hte matching, but what it actually is closing
<1> in general, if I have to have so much code between two braces that is fills more than a screenful, then it's time to abstract some of it. "easy to read" is the key
<1> mainly because I **** at reading code...
<10> rotflmao: Will technology revolutionize boinking?
<6> well, shallow nesting is better than deep one for sure, but sometimes you just find yourself painted into a nasty corner and have to deal with it
<11> can someoane help me pls
<11> *someone
<12> **** you, go away
<11> :)
<5> try asking a real question.
<11> ok
<0> AndReuTz : Please go to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html , and pay careful attention to the suggestions there. It'll improve your chances of getting a useful answer.
<5> how the **** should we know if we can help you if we don't even know what it is all about yet?
<5> some people are dumb.
<1> wlfshmn: indeed. At which point the commenting becomes verbose so I know where I am :)
<11> where i can find drivers for dial-up modems for mandriva linux 2006 ???
<5> real modems don't need drivers. As for the winmodem crap: http://www.linmodems.org/
<13> hey, anyone have a gmail invite left and mind inviting me?
<14> gimme your addy
<1> everyone has gmail invites
<1> do you still need an invite even?
<14> Lion-O, whys that?
<5> Steakk: I don't like the way it works and don't really need it.
<14> i use it for my business e-mail as well...have 14 accounts set up that they are hosting
<13> I want to set up a site with Google Analytics, but I need a gmail account first
<14> Analytics?
<5> For everything else I have yahoo.
<14> oh god...thats a sin Peter
<13> Steakk: Google bought up Urchin
<15> baggy: Does this look like a bug in nullmailer's postinst to you? /var/lib/dpkg/info/nullmailer.postinst: line 14: /dev/tty: No such device or address
<1> rhowe: hmm, /dev/tty should be there, no?
<15> baggy: /dev/tty is there, but the kernel would appear to have no support for the device
<1> rhowe: hmm...hard to say. File it as a bug, if it's not someone will soon tell ytou and close the bug
<15> baggy: heh
<15> baggy: That's when it calls ucf
<15> ucf /etc/mailname.new /etc/mailname < /dev/tty
<1> rhowe: I find it hard to understand how /dev/tty could not exist in the kernel
<15> baggy: Somehow Debian's domU Xen kernel manages it
<1> rhowe: weird
<13> Steakk: it's basically site tracking on roids
<14> ahh
<13> thanks dude
<14> not a problem
<14> gseanmcg? cute there, Tamahome
<14> G Sean in the house
<14> morning db4
<13> you best be steppin' fo I break off mah foot in yo ***!
<14> give.take
<14> LoL Tamahome
<6> Tamahome: What? he didn't recycle?
<5> aaah, it works(tm)
<5> my very first official webapplication and it actually does the things it needs to do in a reliable way 8)
<16> the -good- kind :P
<15> hmmmm
<17> still backwards Nietsoj ?
<18> heh... jostein is free now :)
<15> I wonder how safe it is to simply tar up a postgres data dir and move it to another machine
<15> ***uming the same version of postgres, that is
<6> rhowe: why not just do the dump/restore and be safe? ;)
<8> dunno, never tried it. that works fine with oracle and mysql though, so I would give good odds :)
<19> Xeon: THANKS!
<15> wlfshmn: Taking time :P
<19> Xeon: was still taken when I got up this morning. was 2 minutes late
<20> heh
<20> kernel too.
<17> I wnated to be a wren sigh
<20> I love how the 2.6 kernel's `make mrproper` turns on support for every piece of hardware ever made. I think there's a driver for my particular ballpoint pen in there.
<5> aaah, good. That nietse weirdo is gone ;)
<20> you know, in my experience, being a wren was a stamp of non-hotness.
<21> hello
<20> I can't remember ever meeting a hot wren.
<21> anyone using suse distro?
<7> no. no one in the entire world is using the SuSE distro
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