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<0> hey listen, if you all want
<0> i can setup a cisco ccna cl*** for you
<1> i just have to read through a study guide to see what questions will trip me up.
<0> and get the curriculum and 50%off at the final exam
<1> practical usage, no problem i'm sure. the history lessons, not so great.
<0> D-side: ccna is weak
<1> tavi-san: hey, i'll take you up on that. :)
<2> D-side, VoIP does tend to **** except in carefully controlled situations where the lack of QoS doesn't **** everything up
<3> VoIP only ****s because barely anyone uses it
<3> ...and what Liandrin said
<1> yeah i know, but i did the sample exams and either just squeaked by or JUST missed it.
<0> D-side: if you want something that will always be needed
<0> is the ip telephony specialist
<0> from cisci
<0> cisco*
<1> Tamahome: no, it ****s for plenty more reasons than widescale acceptance
<3> that's the only one I care about :P
<1> Liandrin: youre right.
<2> D-side, of course I am, I was only a VoIP switch designer :P
<1> Liandrin: i find nothing wrong at all with deploying an intranet voip solution, but once you get out on the big ol' intarweb, forget it
<0> D-side: why is that?
<0> D-side: i want to call you, gimme your number
<0> cyber a bit
<1> well you'll just have to damn well wait til i'm out of work!
<1> okay, foadkthx
<1> :D
<0> bah, i will be off by then
<3> LOL
<1> Liandrin: i'm none too impressed with Asterisk either, the so-called leader in OSS solutions. :)
<3> BTW it's "bye"
<0> Tamahome: it's "by"
<3> as in "goodbye"
<3> ba~ka
<2> D-side, well, it's open source, what do you expect?
<0> damn, these technics headphones sound winage
<4> OS can be excellent. But often isn't unfortunately
<2> smsie: the latter was my point
<1> Liandrin: jeez. that was harsh. :)
<0> wlfshmn: you from .us? :)
<2> D-side, I kinda thought about joining that project, but I was employed on VoIP softswitch ****z at the time, and I have the feeling that even today net.com would not be happy with me working on it
<4> I don't expect software to be good, OSS *or* commercial. It has to prove itself to me, I've seen too much crap of both varieties
<0> i want to harras you :)
<3> tavi-san: no, he's in .se
<0> ah, yeah, forgot :)
<5> tavi-san: nope
<1> I've only had fleeting experience with h.323 and sip. none at all with mgcp or sccp or whatever the "skinny" protocol is
<0> actually im a bit wasted right now, this weekend was a freaking bitch :(
<5> tavi-san: I lived in the US for a bit, which is what people seem to remember ;)
<0> wlfshmn: ah, so that's why i asked
<0> wlfshmn: the questions just came in my fingers when you joined ;)
<4> there's precious little software out there that isn't crap in some way unfortunately
<0> killall-9 has something nice for voip as i recall it
<0> brb
<4> I tend ro just use Skype. It Works[tm]
<2> H.323 is a bad joke
<3> H.323 is a sick, sick joke
<3> especially considering it's NAT-intolerant.
<6> I tried Dialpad voip, it ****ed -- now using gizmoproject.com account with sjphone, it is very good, almost as good as land line and only 1 cent per minute in US
<7> tavi-san: *nod* Yate
<7> Yet Another Telephony Engine
<2> Tamahome, have you ever had tgo implement it? ;)
<3> (without a gatekeeper, anyways)
<1> Tamahome: sip is no more nat tolerant than h323
<2> s/tgo/to/
<3> Liandrin: thankfully, no... while I have always been fascinated with VoIP and related technologies, I've never actually implemented it
<1> with the different beingg, h323 is a binary protocol. sip is cleartext
<4> if I wanted to hack on voip, I might6 look at asterisk. I just wanna use it, so frankly, I requirte it to work with no fuss
<5> wtf.. the only place there is a bzip2 java cl*** availible. is deep in the ant tool libraries..
<5> how bloody annoying
<1> so its ever so slightly easier to mangle sip to deal with nat. maybe.
<8> hi
<1> smsie: * isnt THAT bad.
<1> but i've used it in-production for purposes other than what it's strictly designed for.
<4> D-side: there's an installer you double click and it Just Works?
<4> cos that's what I require from a VoIP solution
<1> i'm afraid you'll never have a VoIP solution in your lifetime. :)
<4> one installer
<4> double cck, tell it a username/p***word, it Just Works
<3> except that eBay can spaminate you now :P
<2> smsie: well, Asterisk is meant to be a VoIP PBX
<1> smsie: http://www.astlinux.org is about all you'll get.
<4> it may be licensing evil, it may be firewall evil, it may be all sorts of things. It's hard to argue with "it works"
<9> isnt SIP just h.323 over http or something retarded?
<1> TenBaseT: not even close.
<4> Liandrin: yeah...I don't need one of those
<1> wow that was ignorant. be silent.
<9> I dont know anything about it.
<1> TenBaseT: sorry if i'm harsh. new coworkers, all as stupid as deskboy
<2> TenBaseT, SIP is HTTP-derived, yes
<2> TenBaseT, but it's not H.323 over SIP
<9> Liandrin: ahh.
<9> D-side: see? not as retarded as you think
<1> TenBaseT: haha, if thats actually BETTER in your mind, good for you man.
<1> but yeah, if you look at sip traffic its very similar to http, like hell.
<2> TenBaseT, SIP fills many of the same roles as H.323, but the protocols aren't actually related
<2> it's kind of amusing, in a respect
<1> you can easily ascertain whtas going on in a sip session over the wire
<9> does SIP require random ports like h.323?
<2> H.323 was the result of telecommunications people trying to invent an Internet protocol
<1> yes and no
<4> D-side: so?
<1> SIP itself is just a control protocol, kind of like SS7
<2> SIP was thye result of Internet people trying to invent a telecommunications protocol
<4> D-side: you can trivially ascertain what's going on in a telephone conversation over the wire too
<1> Liandrin: as opposed to the telco people making an internet protocol (h323)
<2> D-side, uh, I said that
<1> smsie: i'm talking about nothing more than tcpdump
<1> Liandrin: oops
<1> Liandrin: oh ****. you sure did. i only caught the sip part. heh
<4> D-side: I'm talking about nothing more than a couple of alligator clips and a handset
<9> how can you ascertain the contents of a voice conversation over SIP with tcpdump?
<1> TenBaseT: you dont. sip doesnt do voice transmission
<3> SIP is just session establishment
<3> isn't it?
<1> Session Initiation Protocol
<9> then how can it possibly be any sort of replacement for h.323?
<10> TenBaseT: It's used to initiate RTP conversations IIRC
<1> rhowe: exactly.
<10> TenBaseT: Anyway, ethereal lets you save a VoIP session as a .wav
<1> rhowe: no ****?
<10> TenBaseT: And, someone from Boeing keeps posting to the VOIPSEC list
<1> thats pretty good.
<4> nobody claimed SIP was secure
<4> it's not something that's particularly wanted even
<10> SIP isn't, but there's about 10 different proposals for encryption/authentication
<11> can wrap it in SSL
<9> I dont doubt it, we're in the midst of a company-wide Voip conversion
<1> or ipsec. who cares.
<10> K_F: Not the RTP you can't - it's UDP
<1> TenBaseT: oh god.
<1> TenBaseT: what vendor?
<11> okay, so establish a tunnel
<9> who the **** do you think?
<10> TenBaseT: Well, if you want to know what they're setting up, read the VOIPSEC archives :)
<1> TenBaseT: Cisco.
<10> TenBaseT: IIRC he explains most of the architecture you guys are using
<9> I dont care to know, it's not my job.
<3> yay, Crisco
<9> D-side: natch.
<1> i really know NOTHING about cisco's propriatary voip.
<9> back to pulling it out of your *** then
<1> haha cock
<3> you two, calm down.
<9> you pull cock our of your ***?
<4> eventually they'll all settle down and there'll be one or two implementations I guess
<1> TenBaseT: thats a fascinatingly fruedian typo.
<9> hahahahahah whoooo
<9> wow.
<1> oh ****. no. no he didnt.
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