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<0> Jostein, wtf you need a keyboard for
<1> smsie: got this one when a neighbour threw out old hardware ages and ages ago
<0> :)
<1> smsie: tossed the rest of the computer fast enough, but the keyboard I kept around..
<2> it's taken me 10 years to get used to the addition of the 3 "Microsoft" keys. You *DO NOT* mess with my keyboard! :)
<3> smsie, eww in which particular fashion? ;)
<1> smsie: maybe I should have it framed ;)
<4> fredk: sometimes, just sometimes there is this saying "fan, meet ****"
<3> smsie, um. let me try again: eww to which part?
<1> smsie: actually, this keyboard only ads two MS-keys ;)
<5> hello
<0> **** cpanel ****s
<4> so people say
<1> smsie: oh, and I am using a MS mouse at the moment, admittedly
<2> Liandrin: a nipple on a keyboard...that's just *eww*! I want a laptop *without* any ****ty meta-mouse. If I need a mouse, I'll ****ing plug a REAL mouse in! A nipple on a keyboard for a desktop is just...Wrong
<1> smsie: but I'll get myself a wireless mouse on of these days, and that won't come frmo MS
<3> which side of the split does Logitech put the 6 key, out of curiosity?
<2> wlfshmn: I've yet to find a wireless mouse that doesn't duck
<6> Liandrin: the right
<3> smsie, if I had a nipple in the middle of the keyboard, I'd never need to move my hands off the keyboard
<1> smsie: I like the mx1000 ones actually
<4> Liandrin: are you talking about those yuckie ergonomical keyboards now?
<3> Jostein, I've been battling carpal tunnel syndrome for 16 years now, and I'm 28
<7> Mmmm..... nipples
<2> Liandrin: why do you nee to anyway? There's virtually nothing you need a mouse for (web browsing is about all)
<3> Jostein, I can't type on a regular keyboard for more than, oh, ten minutes before my wrists start to scream
<4> Liandrin: anyway, never used those. they freak me out. no idea
<3> Jostein, but I can type on an ergo forever
<3> smsie, I'm primarily a web developer lately, fyi :P
<7> Liandrin: *nod* I've been using an ergo for so long now that a regular keyboard freaks me out.
<1> Liandrin: this logitech-board isn't split ;)
<2> Liandrin: ah, that would make a difference :)
<7> and before I started using an ergo, my wrists were in terrible shape.
<2> Liandrin: I can go several hours without needing to soil my hands with a mouse :)
<1> Liandrin: I remember switching to a split board once, and all my keystrokes was a key off with my right hand.. I ahted it
<3> about ten years ago my wrists started to go downhill again
<3> about half an hour after getting to work they'd start to ache like mad
<7> wlfshmn: oh, they take some getting used to, yes. But, once you're comfortable with an ergo, you'll never want to go back.
<3> fortunately, I was living with someone who had an original Microsoft Natural keyboard, and he was happy to lend it to me for me to try it
<3> so I bring it to work one day, and about an hour after I start my wrists are killing me, and I suddenly remember I have this new fancy keyboard to try
<3> I hooked it up... and my wrists _STOPPED HURTING_
<3> *right away*
<2> why does this sound like snake oil? :P
<4> oh well. modern media & research amuses me
<3> smsie, *shrug*
<4> evidently now researches have discovered that eating magical mushroom has some positive effects
<7> Liandrin: The exact same thing happened to me
<4> only lagging what? 40 years?
<3> it took me about a week to adapt to the split layout
<2> "I used to be afriad to bend down because my back was so bad. I *looked* at a 'MiracleBack[tm]' bottle for 3 seconds and I ran a marathon the next day!"
<3> I discovered that for some ****ed-up reason, I was typing Y with my left hand and T with my right
<2> Liandrin: I'm just being silly. I'm ever thankjful I don't suffer from that
<2> I'm at least partially convinceds that it's because I don't touch type
<3> oddly enough, several people have told me that they found the same thing when they switched to an ergo
<3> smsie, I don't Touch-Type"
<3> smsie, in fact, I have an anecdote dating back to high school in that vein ;)
<2> pretty much everyone afflicted with it that I know otherwise does
<2> lots
<2> I think the position you hold your hands to touch type is unnatural
<3> smsie, the computer teacher resigned to go teach UN support personnel in Zagreb how to use computers, which paid better and was less stressful. for some reason, the best my school could find to replace him was a typing teacher.
<3> smsie, I was in the computer lab fixing something for her one day, and she said something along the lines of: "OMG, in my 15 years of being a typing teacher I've NEVER seen someone type as fast as you do, and you aren't even Touch-Typing"!"
<3> smsie, the position you hold your wrists in to type on a standard keyboard, period, is unnatural
<2> Liandrin: indeed
<8> I'm having trouble wondering what IS natural for a keyboard.. :)
<2> it's not
<8> exactly, heh
<2> it's ingerently unnatural
<2> touch typing is even MORE so
<8> I can't touch type, I just do my own thing and it seems to work
<2> your little finger especially is asked to make all kinds of ****ed up manouevres
<8> not proper touch typing, anyway
<2> me either
<2> I've never been able to slow down enough to learn
<1> Flimflam: Easy enough. Just go out and find a herd of wild keyboards and se how they behave outside of captivity
<3> wlfshmn, hahahaha
<8> my left shift key has started intermittently not working, which is a m***ive problemfor my 'routine' of using it for everything barring shift+home/end
<1> this is why I use corded keybaords. I don' trust mine not to try to escape
<8> and that keyboard has served me for about 8/9 years, I ****ing love it, heh
<3> Flimflam, hah, I've probably worn out a dozen keyboards in that time period
<8> hahaah wlfshmn
<3> Flimflam, for the record, in order to reduce hand and wrist strain, you're _supposed_ to train yourself to use the meta keys on the opposite hand from the one hitting the main key
<3> (did that make sense?)
<5> IM GAYYYY
<3> rilevi, so what?
<5> i had to scream it
<3> siglite, ?
<5> :D
<8> hah, been a while.. ;)
<9> Liandrin: he was wearing a target :)
<8> yeah I think so, Liandrin, though I can't deal with the ergonomic stuff
<9> rilevi isn't bouncy
<8> nor switching up meta key use
<1> bah!
<3> I've never been particularly successful at the off-hand meta key thing
<3> I've considered retraining to Dvorak a few times, but based on what friends who've made the switch have told me, I would go crazy before I regained my current typing speed
<2> did everyone eventually finisah the thing last night?
<2> I went to bed in the end
<3> Dvorak feels nicer than qwerty, but the 15-fold loss of typing speed isn't worth it
<3> and I don't have four months to get back up to speed
<9> smsie: yeah, I finished it
<9> smsie: now I'm having fun watching my co-workers anguish over it, while providing them with anemic little hints
<2> :)
<2> evil evil evil man :)
<0> Liandrin, on the other hand, most people you know wont be able to use it properly :)
<9> smsie: I had one of them track me down on IRC last night for help
<2> if I thought my cow-ordkers wouldn't kill me, I'd do the same
<4> siglite: I hope you throw them of track every once in a while :P
<3> smsie, several people have damned me to hell lately
<3> smsie, fortunately, I don't believe in hell
<10> heh, i'm waiting for an imporant deadline to p*** (in 12 hours or so) before i p*** on that game to other people
<10> otherwise who knows what might happen to me :^)
<9> Jostein: no, tha twould be cruel. I've been giving them real hints, just not very good ones.
<10> i give people subtle hints, but i tell them 13/14 straight away (the one on the topic last night)
<3> yeah, that one just doesn't work in North America
<4> siglite: heh
<10> Liandrin: let alone for non-native speakers of english like most people i know :^)
<11> siglite: I got it
<9> atompngn: 'bout damned time.
<0> **** no milk
<9> hahaahh
<11> I used tcpdump
<9> atompngn sniffed a coworker's net connection to get the ****ing answer to 20
<3> lol.
<7> HA
<9> I have to say that's kind of ingenious
<10> so desperate
<7> Uh, mod-, would you care to explain this? ;) http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/65643.html
<12> I guess theyre too stupid to blow their nose without flinging germs all over
<1> Ka-bar: Shouldn't you ask your mother, if there is something you fail to grasp in that regards? ;)
<9> TenBaseT: careful about throwing stones. The same campaign is happening here.
<9> TenBaseT: been in a grade school lately?
<9> TenBaseT: how to blow your nose posters everywhere. How to sneeze leaflets going home with kids and stuff.
<9> it's worked too
<9> my kid always sneezes into the crook of his elbow instead of onto his hands.
<9> we didn't teach ihm tha.t
<10> Ka-bar: well, throughout my stay here, i've noticed the Scottish to lack all sorts of basic knowledge about life, so any attempt to educate them properly can only be a good thing ;^)
<9> hahah, this is some funny ****, all these monitors that say orziot_jiz
<9> one of my co-workers actually googled for "jiz"
<10> haha
<9> bet the ids went ape**** on him. probably 80 pr0n alerts in there.
<11> You said the same thing when everyone was staring at the number 20
<10> siglite: it's spelled "cow-orkers" :-p
<11> It's spelled jizz
<12> siglite: oh, no I didnt know what. I guess that when the bird flu hits, kids will be walking WMDs
<12> s/what/that
<9> TenBaseT: *nod*
<13> siglite: Did any of them get it yet? :)
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