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<0> Or perhaps just the hard drive... and caulk the case of the CD-R so it dosn't flow air.
<1> a fanless setup doesn't depend on convection, not at the component level inside the case. You need to drain the heat via heatpipes or liquid to a huge external radiator so convection can occur there...because air is so poor of a heat medium that depending on it to work inside the case is dumb on anything not embedded.
<1> most "fanless" pc's you see around for actual use depend on an external fan or say they're fanless but the psu has a fan
<2> there's no way you could smoke enough to clog a vent.
<3> safemode: iMac's were fanless, convection cooled.
<2> if your pc depends on convection for cooling, the vents are big. so big that even a century's worth of heavy smoke will not appreciably decrease their area.
<3> NineVolt: Don't you believe that.
<1> imac's are hardly computers
<4> NineVolt: No. Smoke sticks, dust sticks to smoke, vents clog.
<4> safemode: Since when?
<3> NineVolt: you smoke. They get covered in a thin film of nicotine. The dust sticks to it. process repeats.
<2> ok, take my car windshield for example.
<2> it's got a disgusting layer of resins on it.
<2> yet i can still see through it. it hasn't accumulated a quarter inch of dust on it.
<1> mwilson: since when were they?
<2> i can barely see when it fogs up, but it still hasn't accumulated a layer of any appreciable thickness.
<4> safemode: How is an iMac not a computer?
<1> any layer of dust on components that rely on convection is just asking for shortened lifespan
<2> so were it the edge of a vent, 10 years of smoking would have decreased the vent area by way, way less than 1%
<2> we're not talking about dust on components.
<3> NineVolt: you ought to see how just dust clogs the air intakes on my lian li.
<3> NineVolt: if that were sticky too..
<1> then where is the dust ? just on the vent, dust that clogs a vent, is also getting into the vent...unless you have filters
<2> safemode : agreed, but irrelevant.
<5> I have a brandnew box and it's allready picking up dust like a maniac
<5> Damn vacuum cleaner
<2> i'm not arguing that dust won't mess up your components. it will. insulation on your components is never a good thing.
<1> my new box has filters ....best damn thing put to use on a computer
<2> i'm arguing that it won't have any appreciable effect on a vent designed for convection cooling.
<5> safemode: yeah, but those need to be cleaned too :)
<2> perhaps it might have an effect on the hard drive bleed hole that you mentioned, as that sounds like a really really small hole.
<2> even a mm thick layer of crap might have a really serious effect.
<2> but vents that are like a quarter inch wide?
<2> i've -never- seen a quarter inch thick layer of smoke resin.
<2> except inside a smoking implement :P
<3> NineVolt: you ought to have seen the bottom of the 486's we decommissioned last summer. They had literally an inch of dust covering the base inside.
<2> take my trust gl*** spoon for example, i've been smoking out of it several times a day and it's been over a year since i last cleaned it.
<2> even with the lint that's trapped in the resin, as i carry it in my pocket, way less than a quarter inch thick.
<2> s/trust/trusty/
<1> i byp*** the smoke problem by not ****ing smoking around my expensive electronics. just like you dont inside the car because it ruins that expensive (usually) item
<2> dust, yes. smoke resin, no way.
<2> smoke might help the dust accumulate faster. as far as how much faster, that's debatable.
<2> i doubt it's like 10 times faster. twice as fast at most.
<2> that's unbelievable.
<2> me and my peoples, we're heavy smokers. you'd figure some signs of resin would start showing up in our humble abodes.
<2> i've seen none.
<2> yellowing of the walls maybe :P
<2> but that being the most pronounced example i can cite, lets take a look at it.
<2> the walls at my friend's are becoming noticeably discolored after only a year of living there.
<2> however, even if you look really close, there's no visible layer of resin.
<2> i'd estimate the thickness to be well below 0.1mm
<2> and this is in a room where you often find 5-8 people chain smoking newports and blunts.
<2> and i've yet to see any dust accumulating on a walls as a result.
<2> let alone any significant deposits.
<6> NineVolt: wait until they try to paint.
<6> it actually seeps into the walls, etc.
<6> and then it comes back out when you try to paint over it/clean it/etc.
<7> man, I just cannot get this bloody config to produce a viable tvout signal..
<7> I wonder if I've somehow managed to get a broken scrat-adapter
<8> wlfshmn: you don't use Spring MVC do you?
<7> schitzo: no
<8> wlfshmn: then I wont' ask you a question.
<8> wlfshmn: you should feel pleased..
<7> schitzo: I'm currently pondeirng having a look at JSF instead
<8> wlfshmn: yeah I started looking at that.
<9> Which of you guys are in NYC now?
<10> http://www.flabber.nl/archief/015096.php
<10> lol
<5> OxD, though I haven't seen him in a while
<8> wlfshmn: there is just so many different frameworks out there for crap it's annoying.
<0> 9v/safemode: I wasn't referring specifically to internal components, or vents that get covered. The entire way that heatsinks work is by making a larger surface area for which air can interact, with a minimal effect on airflow for several differant means. The first mean is that any restriction to flow causes accumulation, just like a river. The second reason is that airflow is good. :)
<2> point being, there's other nonporous impermeable surfaces in the room aside from the walls.
<2> and there's no significant smoke evidence there either.
<0> Any coating of the heatsink surface results in loss of transfer efficiency, which means higher component tempratures in the end.
<2> agreed.
<2> is this significant though/
<0> Well, the walls arn't part of a high volume air system either.
<11> dog hair is way worse
<2> painting your heatsink with styrofoam would be bad.
<2> smoking cigarettes near your heatsink for a few years, not as bad.
<0> Well... With heatsinks, it's all about tolerances.
<2> exposing your heatsink to reactive gases, also not as bad.
<2> by your logic, we should hermetically seal cases and pump them full of noble gases :P
<0> No...
<0> We just shouldn't exhale our cigarette smoke around them.
<2> well just running air through your case reacts with your heatsink, causing a decrease in heat transfer efficiency at the surface.
<2> i recognize that you've gotta draw the line somewhere, i'm just questioning your opinion on the placement.
<0> True... But not as much as small sticky particles attatching themselves to the heatsink, then eventually to themselves.
<2> agreed.
<2> i'd say smoke is more like air than styrofoam though :P
<0> Fact of the matter is though, the part that fails in a smoker's computer is the hard drive -- the part that actually contains data.
<2> now that i didn't know, and i'm fascinated by it :P
<0> A processor failure, or even memory failure is easier to recover from than a hard drive failure.
<2> agreed.
<2> i knew about optical drives susceptibility to smoke-induced failure
<2> the hdd thing is news to me though.
<0> *nod* Perhaps Google can be my guide.
<9> I wonder why redhat enterprise is so freaking expensive :\
<12> anyone in here know about htaccess files?
<8> fredk_: because redhate is the bomb-diggity.
<13> schitzo!
<9> schitzo, hehe, seriously, windows server is cheaper :)
<8> alllie: they are text files on disk. that control access to webservers
<8> Daakman!
<5> fredk_: If you only count the OS, yes
<12> schitzo.. I need to put something in my access file to point a new domain to a subdirectory in my old domain. how do I do that
<14> alllie: very carefully.
<13> schitzo: 'sup?
<0> However... I'd say smoking around your couputer is better than setting an opened can of Coca-Cola down by the intake every morning.
<14> httpd.apache.org is your friend
<15> fredk_: RHEL is expensive because ***hat manglers think it's worth it (it's not)
<9> PolarWolf, yep, it's all that matters for me. ;)
<12> *sigh*
<2> heh
<9> smsie, Agreed, I don't see any provider type licensing either. But, they're bound to offer that.
<15> RHEL is the OS and most of the apps as well
<2> i care about smoking more than i care about my computer.
<5> fredk_: Hmm, an OS in itself isn't very useful
<8> Daakman: getting ready to do my taxes
<15> it's still m***ively expensive compared to say Debian
<15> which is free
<15> hard to beat free
<8> alllie: don't do that in the .htaccess. do it in the http.conf file
<5> fredk_: What do you add to Windows to make it useful?
<9> smsie, free is a myth
<2> so i'm more worried about the negative effects my pc's em fields are having on my tobacco flavor.
<9> PolarWolf, nothing, IIS is free :P
<13> schitzo: Yuck!
<2> iis is the worst.
<15> fredk_: not really. You need to employ clued people whatever system you go for.
<5> fredk_: Ah, dumb webservers, eh?
<15> fredk_: windows only LOOKS like you can get away with not employing clued people. You end up paying for consultancy anyway
<13> bbiab
<8> IIS is the ****
<9> Hehe
<14> IIS is the only way to run ASP.NET apps :P
<9> schitzo, I do agree on that, actually.. cl***ic asp is the ****
<15> PolarWolf: I don't care if MS offer to PAY me to run IIS. It's ****e, I'm not gonna run it
<7> PolarWolf: Strings? Aside from requiring e seerver license, and probably a ****load of CALs
<14> wlfy: yeah... needing CALs for web connections are a pain in the ***
<5> smsie: Despite common belief, ISS isn't free to use
<9> seriously, I need a OS to run my mysql cluster on, options are redhat enterprise, debian sarge and suse
<15> compared to apache, IS just doesn't cut it
<2> it's free to have.
<2> not free to use.
<15> PolarWolf: I didn't say it was. It's STILL ****e, and I STILL ain't gonna deploy it
<2> and apache is way easier to set up.
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