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<0> haha
<1> I have a bunch of TI MCUs that I'd love to use, but they have a zillion tiny pins I'm not good enough to solder to, and afaict the chip can't be socketed
<1> otherwise, it has a really nifty 16-bit RISC architecture
<2> Liandrin: How many is a zillion?
<1> whyzzyrd, 64 or 80, I think
<1> whyzzyrd, it's been a while
<1> a friend here in Vancouver got an ultrafine tip for his soldering iron and did one, but it was sufficiently painful he refuses to ever do it again
<3> Liandrin: you could try using a solderball surface mount kit - that would probably work
<3> ***uming the pin density matches of course
<1> well, the MCU in question is designed to be machine-mounted
<1> even the samples come in machine-feed tape
<4> amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: libtunepimp.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<1> (er, that's not a very good way to describe it, but I'm not enough of an electronics engineer to put it better)
<4> any ideea
<2> sim_paticul: you still on ****ware?
<5> Liandrin: you mean surface mounted? SMD?
<5> those can be done by hand with no problems what so ever
<4> whell whyzzyrd
<4> tell me a good distro
<4> what do you use?
<5> sim_paticul: to put it in logical terms, anything not slackware
<4> lollllll but i was on others linux channel and they told me i s a good distro
<5> sim_paticul: but for a general desktop, try ubuntu
<4> recomand me one
<4> plz
<4> ok
<4> i just downloaded ubuntu
<1> ah, here we are, 64-pin QFP
<4> i will give a try
<4> whyzzyrd, what are you using how about you jostein?
<2> sim_paticul: I did say debian earlier, before you left. Ubuntu might be more your style right enough.
<2> sim_paticul: I use debian on a number of servers, and my desktops and laptops.
<5> sim_paticul: winxp
<2> sim_paticul: Seeing as you have ubuntu, give it a whirl.
<5> WinXP is a pretty good distro, if left to proper IT proffesionals :P
<6> lol
<7> Like me.
<2> Jostein: quite true actually.
<7> Hey, where'd that come from?
<6> s/proper/rich/ ;)
<6> the rest of us poor people can use Linux ;)
<5> Liandrin: s/rich/w4r3z0r/
<5> Lion-O: ^^
<6> AHA. He admits it ;)
<8> Jostein: Define proper IT profesional :-)
<1> I believe I've got the TI MSP430F169PM
<5> before that I used a fully legal uni licence
<8> Jostein: MSCE ?
<8> Jostein: :-)
<5> BitesHard: THAT doesnt really have anything to say :P
<5> BitesHard: proper IT proffesioanls = clued people :P
<5> And by clued, I am nowhere near implying being good at spelling is required
<1> Jostein, btw, 'professionals', one F, two Ss ;)
<5> Liandrin: see statemetn above
<8> Jostein: You mean I could use WinXP.... WOW!
<5> problem with the term "clued", is that a lot of people who really -isn't- still think they are
<6> Using xp != installing. Anyone can install it, but there are not many who can make it last.
<5> Lion-O: Only time Ive done reinstalls (at my machine) is after HW upgrades
<2> jgaddis: why would anyone wish to do that..
<6> Jostein: about the same here.
<7> whyzzyrd: Makes me feel gooood.
<8> Whats a reinstall?
<5> Lion-O: if we leave out -one- nasty low level ASPI hack I tried (to get AudioGrabber working)
<2> Jostein: Last HW upgrade I did, I used sysprep, and "ghosted" my workstation install to the new disk with ntfsclone.
<5> Lion-O: that killed the OS dead and unrecoverable :P
<5> whyzzyrd: cool
<5> whyzzyrd: sysprep is a pretty handy tool
<2> Jostein: sysprep is actually very handy. As is wsname.
<6> Jostein: hehe
<5> whyzzyrd: dunno if Ive ever used wsname
<5> whyzzyrd: does it rename the machine network wise?
<2> jgaddis: we have one. I can chat to you about it privately if you like
<2> jgaddis: wsname is the naming anyway, the script to do the domain joins is pretty unholy.
<5> jgaddis: I know about a program that -almost- does that. think it's called newSID
<2> Jostein: no, that resets the SID, as does sysprep.
<5> whyzzyrd: I know. But iirc we used to make images of machines that were in domains
<5> whyzzyrd: the name makes that part pretty oobvious :P
<2> wsname names the machine as per its DNS entry. Which I regard as "properly".
<7> Jostein: As do I, but you can have a new SID generated -- that's an option in sysprep.
<5> whyzzyrd: ah
<9> on ***: "*** was first invented by Thomas Edison in 1899."
<1> well, if you think your Windows installation/setup issues are bad, now imagine a Windows box that's completely headless and accessed only via OEM-loaded software
<10> brew coffee, BREW!!!
<2> jgaddis: Our build process does this, in order. Boots PXElinux, Gets our initrd. Dumps whichever image on with ntfsclone, resize appropriately, reset PXE options, reboot. Windows boots, chks disks, reboots, Sysprep install starts, gets so far, runs a script to set the name from wsname, reboots, formats a partition, joins the domain, reboots, joins novell, auto-installs latest AV from AV server, reboots, downloads apps from Novell, and then the
<2> machine is done.
<1> and DHCP wasn't an option
<3> Liandrin: you're running vista then?
<5> Liandrin: eeeewww
<1> DaveHowe, this was originally NT4, then W2KPro
<1> DaveHowe, I don't know if they've upgraded platforms since I was laid off
<1> heh, I came across someone on Wikipedia who's apparently completed net.com's SHOUTip900 training
<1> I was almost tempted to drop a note on his talk page saying "cool, I invented SHOUTip"
<3> Liandrin: how about this one. old windows nt4 box, in a sealed case; all the screws are protected, wires go into the box someplace (instead of having external sockets) and it *must* be connected to a modem to dial out once per day or it stops working
<4> how about debian ?
<1> DaveHowe, did you have to implement that yourself?
<1> DaveHowe, I did a lot of the heavy lifting for the setup I described
<3> Liandrin: nope, it was the box Sharp uk's outbound mail-to-fax gateway relied on
<1> DaveHowe, btw, configuring Windows' TCP stack is a BIG pain in the ***
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<3> Liandrin: got virused to the hilt six or seven times and the gateway was down for a week until they dialed in and vixed it
<1> DaveHowe, WMI is the way to do it, but I didn't know that at the time :|
<4> so what are you think about debian?
<11> so day two of decision time...
<2> sim_paticul: we like debian.
<1> Debian is a really good distribution, but if you're not already an experienced UNIX/Linux user, it's probably not for you
<3> Liandrin: you can WMI it yes - but tbh its just registry keys anyhow. you can write them if you really need to :)
<4> i sawed some screenshots and sims ok
<10> Deb is not for the faint of heart...but, its nice
<1> DaveHowe, yes, but you can't make the changed registry keys take effect w/o WMI or a reboot
<1> DaveHowe, so we used the IP Helper API to make temporary changes, until the next reboot, when the registry config would take over
<3> Liandrin: indeed so - but on nt4 ip changes didn't take effect until a reboot anyhow - so the $BOSS was already conditioned to rebooting for ip changes :)
<1> DaveHowe, we didn't have to deal with IP config until W2K
<1> DaveHowe, and technically, NT4 didn't *need* a reboot, it just *wanted* one
<3> Liandrin: been dealing with it since dos days - novell lan workplace
<5> My favorite TCP stack was AmiTCP
<5> it even made system handlers so you could open files like tcp://someserver:port :P
<1> I almost wrote a TCP stack for my XT, back in '95
<3> hmm. back then I wasn't doing tcp - just rs232 to the modem, and letting the unix box at 'tother end deal with the networking issues :)
<9> "You have moved the mouse, reboot? Y/N"
<12> is mac os x considered a stable operating system?
<1> this is a Linux channel, why are you asking us?
<5> is riat considered a troll?
<9> .....
<3> indeed. mac osx isn't linux, its bsd :)
<1> quasi-BSD ;)
<5> "the OS formerly known as BSD" :P
<3> Liandrin: but it ain't quasi-linux, that's the point
<1> BSD x Mach x NeXTStep x MacOS
<9> Liandrin has it right
<1> (NeXTStep? was that the name for their UNIXoid OS too?)
<9> yeah
<5> Liandrin: you forgot the "x TrendWhore"
<1> Jostein, that was subsumed in "MacOS" ;)
<5> heh
<9> the OS X kernel is better known as Darwin though
<5> in is very unpopular in western virginia
<5> and
<9> presumably named after Charles Darwin, and not that annoying fish on Seaquest DSV
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