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<0> and if Tivo had a jingle I'd be singing it right now
<1> TenBaseT: there will be a workaround in 0.19.2
<0> Do you know what verions of linux and software my Tivo uses?
<1> No clue
<2> i see this coming
<2> a mile away
<2> neither does he, and he ****ing likes it that way
<2> go ahead.
<0> Yeah me neither. I dont have to ****ing deal with it, It Just Works(tm)
<0> hahaha
<1> Eh?
<0> D-side: you bitch
<3> but that's the mentality that sends computer users to CompUSA's repair department.
<2> good for them
<1> I'm not paying the monthly fee for Tivo
<2> not everyone needs to know how **** works.
<3> don't know, don't want to know, and when it breaks, I have to send it back.
<1> And besides, that kind of defeats the purpose of this machine...
<1> It's not like this machine is just for TV.
<2> siglite: whats wrong with that for Regular People?
<0> siglite: do you fix your own refrigerator when it breaks?
<0> or your own airconditioning, or furnace?
<3> D-side: have you ever been to compusa's repair department?
<3> TenBaseT: well, that might be valid if we were in #hvac
<1> TenBaseT: ****...as long as it's not the freon, I'll fix it
<2> you can't be asking me if i've gone there for that
<3> but, I would ***ume that people in #linux have some wish to understand how computer systems in thier home work
<2> you couldn't possibly
<1> And I fixed my furnace as well
<2> we're not talking about this from our points of view
<1> Granted it's n***** rigged
<2> i'm taking the Everyman position here
<3> I've kind of always had the perspective that this channel is populated by systems professionals and hobbyists.
<3> who enjoy what they do, and are constantly curious and experimenting with things.
<2> right but i just threw all that **** out the window with my above statement
<0> sure, sure. I can appreciate the desire to put linux on a toaster
<2> get off the soapbox :D
<0> but I dont necessarily think that a linux toaster works better than a regular one
<1> Am I lagged here or something?
<0> and, incidentally, the tivo does run linux, so this is still on topic.
<2> reality: i think we're just ignoring you.
<0> I'm just saying that the tivo guys do it better than the myth tv guys
<1> TenBaseT: kernel 2.1.24
<0> hahaah goodman
<3> and TBH, and I'm not sure why, your wish to be a consumer, versus a curious systems enginer, and taking PRIDE in being a consumer, really rubs me the wrong way.
<0> holy **** there's no way it's running a2.1
<2> TenBaseT: eh, yeah but you can't really compare them.
<1> TenBaseT: Sure does
<2> siglite: direct that at him, i'm not running any bull**** tivo. :D
<3> it's directed at TBT. And I admit that it's an irrational thing.
<0> siglite: It's because I dont have patience for running endlessly beta code for what needs to be a production environment.
<0> siglite: and for me, it's because every time I go over to my buddy's house to watch his mythtv box, something is ****ed up on it
<0> and he's a _Smart_Guy_
<2> TenBaseT: on that note, you havent answered me yet. :)
<3> well, I can't really speak intelligently about mythtv vs. tivo, since I have neither
<3> it's just a recurring theme
<3> mac, tivo, etc...
<1> TenBaseT: It's not like mythtv is the *only* pvr system for linux
<3> and like I say, I can't explain why it's rubbing me the wrong way.
<0> I guess the problem is that I dont take a hobbyist interest anymore
<2> i have no problems getting my hands dirty solving a problem, or enhancing somethings functionality
<0> I'm burned out on it. I take a professional interest.
<2> but its a very nice thing indeed when i'm not FORCED to
<2> i'm about to lose my connection, since i'm ****ing with my firewall. brb undoubtedly.
<0> and if I can throw $200 of the dollars I make working on linux boxes at my TV to make me not have to **** with another balky linux box at home, then thats what I'm going to do
<4> gonna go ahead and give 'eddie' a shot.. seems to be a good dns and http load balancer
<1> TenBaseT: Well, VDR for linux has been out for a damn long time
<1> When did Tivo hit the market?
<0> reality: yeah ,thats a fact. the v4l drivers have been there for a loong time.
<0> I think the tivo came out around 2000, maybe 1999
<1> TenBaseT: VDR has been around since at least before then
<0> I remember having a ATI all-in-wonder with a cable jack in 1997 or so
<1> I mean hell, they had an article in Digital Video Broadcast in 2000
<1> I'm talking about VDR the program...
<0> Oh, I dont know
<1> http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/
<0> the nice thing about having directv is that I get 2 tivos for $5 a month. I might feel differently if I was paying full price
<1> TenBaseT: So how much is your bill a month?
<0> reality: 45. $35 for the service, plus 5 for the DVR charge, plus $5 for the second decoder box
<0> I'd be paying the '2nd box fee' regardless of whether it were a tivo or a regular dtv box
<1> How many channels with that?
<3> man, now I'm all annoyed.
<0> all the regular ones, no hbo though
<3> I wanted to install bsd, and I have no drive to put it on.
<0> charter really ****s *** up here so dtv was the only choice.
<3> charter ****s *** across the board.
<1> TenBaseT: Is there onboard contrast/brightness/hue/saturation settings?
<3> if I could get DSL here, I'd move to it, and dump charter's cable package and probably just not watch any TV.
<0> reality: No, each directivo has 2 satellite tuners in it. It lays the decrypted MPEG-2 stream from the satellite directly to disk
<3> I really find value in very little TV. Certainly not worth the money.
<0> reality: It doesnt really capture
<1> TenBaseT: I mean for TV out
<5> siglite: I watch maybe an hour every two weeks ;)
<3> I watch the sopranos
<3> that's about it.
<2> wow.
<5> siglite: so an hour a week, then
<2> svg works without my ****ing around with it
<0> Oh, no. It's like a DVD player or xbox for the output. No controllers
<3> well, the TV's on constantly.
<3> but I don't pay any attention to it.
<1> TenBaseT: See, this is a projector system. So the projector is easily calibrated for a single source. I don't want to have to configure it for each individual source.
<0> hahaah yeah thats me too
<2> siglite: you might feel differently if you could watch what interests you when you feel like watching it
<5> siglite: does it count if I download a show to watch?
<0> doesnt the projector have input calibration?
<2> i agree that planning your life around watching some tv show is bull****
<2> but now that i'm not tied to a specific time to watch something, i watch a lot more than ever before.
<3> D-side: I doubt I would feel that much differently.
<5> siglite: I guess it's 22 minutes, instead of 30. no mind numbing ads, and entertainment on demand..
<3> more and more I'm viewing TV as "the mind control box"
<0> siglite: I have no concept of when anything comes on anymore. Tivo makes me watch far more shows in far less time.
<1> TenBaseT: Yes, but a separate DVD player would need to be calibrated as a different component than the Tivo box
<2> TenBaseT: yeah i hear that.
<5> siglite: Bill Hicks..
<3> it tries to tell me what to buy, what to believe, what to think, what to eat, who to ****....
<0> siglite: the problem with realtime tv is that you leave it on all the time waiting for **** to come on.
<2> i havent seen a commercial i didnt want to watch in a LONG time. :)
<0> siglite: with a tivo-thing, you only watch the stuff you explicitly want to. there's no p***ivity to it. and you sure as **** dont watch commercials anymore
<5> ""Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America.
<5> Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their ****ing skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!"
<6> and get innedated with over oud ads shouting at you to buy hemmeroid goop
<3> how does tivo decide what's the show and what's the commercial?
<1> Nanuq: We want your soul
<0> siglite: it doesnt, it records it all. but the remote can be programmed to jump 30 ahead
<2> mythtv can.
<0> siglite: you do that three times when the bumper rolls, and the shows back on
<2> logo detection, blank frame detection, other things...
<6> checks for audio level changes?
<2> i dont entirely trust it
<0> hahaahah no ****
<5> D-side: what are you doing with svg?
<2> TenBaseT: caveat: has to filter it after recording, so it takes a while.
<1> Nanuq: Better question...what are you doing listening to Adam Freeland?
<0> yeah the commercial detection in PVR's is sort of like c***ette decks in the 80s that had automatic ff/rewind that would stop at the next track
<2> i.e. no timeshifting
<0> it works sort of most of the tiem
<2> right, thats a decent analogy
<5> reality: ?
<2> Nanuq: realtime traffic graph
<1> Nanuq: What you just quoted
<5> D-side: link?
<5> reality: that's Bill Hicks
<2> Nanuq: its built into m0n0wall. :)
<0> anyway with the tivo I just click the jump30 button and the commercial goes away
<2> but if that interests you, m0n0.ch/wall
<2> TenBaseT: i do the same.
<1> Nanuq: It's also in a song called We Want Your Soul by Adam Freeland
<5> D-side: oh that ****
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