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<0> dates back to 1986 - 1988
<1> yes, unfortunately
<0> IBM i860-based MCA -card.
<1> not that I ever worked with one
<0> back in 1987 - 1988, at a Comdex Fair in Wash. DC, I watched Intel i860 equipped IBM 50z and 60 MicroChannel *286-based* computers running an episode of "General Hospital" in glorious 800 x 600 x 256 bit color. It pretty much looked like watching TV.
<0> "General Hospital" was a TV Soap Opera that was very popular, back then.
<0> off MFM ESDI 540 MB drives.
<0> full 1/2 hour episodes
<2> rll's were better
<3> hello guys , how i can execute the command logout inside of a somefile.sh ???
<3> work outside of the shell of course
<3> but not inside
<0> whitecap: what about MFM?
<0> CHESU: very interesting question.
<3> or is a way of security of linux to avoid the normal work inside of a script?
<2> LSzilard: early '90s i had seagate drives that were supposed to be mfm 20meg but hooked up to my rll controller they were 32meg
<2> compaq 2meg ram 286.
<0> whitecap: interesting.
<0> whitecap: back around late 1993, I remember playing around with a friend's Compaq 386 DX 25 Mhz *screamer* desktop, 2 MB 70ns DRAM, with the full 64KB L2 cache option, that *kicked the pants off* just about any 486 DX-33-based system that I played around with. Including Everex, IBM, and *COMPAQ*. Hell..
<0> whitecap: it could have *easily* ran umm.... (dare I say it in here?) -- Windows 98 SE ("Special Edition") -- faster than most of the '486 systems then on the market.
<0> whitecap: (provided that it was loaded up with at least 8 MB of RAM)
<0> whitecap: it could take up to 16 MB of memory on the motherboard
<0> this was up in Westminster, Maryland. My friend pulled this little '386 Compaq gem off a trash pile at Bechtel. She'd been working there for about 3 years.
<2> LSzilard: i originally got ops here helping a op get linux running on a <1m ram 386-16
<4> take care all
<0> whitecap: when was this?
<0> whitecap: <sniff> 386-16 SX, or DX? either way, it brings a fond tear to my eye
<2> sx
<0> 32-bit, internal, 16 bit external (ISA - ESIA - or MCA- bus -- all 16 bit )
<0> for the i386-SX chip
<2> LSzilard: i had a at-386 also
<2> 9meg ram on the board
<0> whitecap: however: the i386-SX had 24-bit memory addressing --- 16 MB of RAM.
<0> whitecap: as did the i286.
<0> whitecap: the intel 286 could directly address 16 MB of system memory.
<1> it may not have had all the address pins, but internally it was 32-bit
<2> i still have that board too. i REALLY need to stop being such a pack rat
<1> this is funny.
<0> ......another surprising feature of the '286 -- it could handle up to a 2 TB paging (swap) file.
<1> we have the "Distinctive Ring" feature on our phone line.
<0> as could the i386-SX
<1> with a second phone number ***igned to it.
<1> it just rang
<1> so I answered it with "Wrong number" and hung up.
<2> heh
<1> it doesn't matter who's calling -- we're not using that number for anything at the moment and we haven't given it out to anyone
<1> so they tried to call again
<1> I picked it up, said "Still the wrong number", and hung up.
<2> Liandrin: i have my alt number as dial-in/fax
<2> free dialup for kids/grandkids/friends
<1> whitecap, I would, but I tried to print an envelope in my multi-function device once, and, well, now it's only a scanner
<1> the envelope jammed and managed to snap the plastic lens off the printhead carriage
<2> suprising number of spam fax
<2> ouch. HP ?
<1> so it won't print faxes because it insists on detecting whether transparencies are loaded first, so it can refuse to print faxes on transparencies (wtf?)
<1> and the ink cartridges ran out, but it can't "see" the paper to do the auto-calibration
<1> officejet v40
<1> worked pretty well, until that little paper-handling mishap
<2> heheh, ohh for the days of the dot-matrix impact printers
<1> I was going to try to glue the lens back on, but then I moved three or four times and I've long since lost it
<1> I ran an Amstrad DMP3000 for years after it became impossible to get ribbons for it: I "inherited" a box of letter-sized carbon paper. ;)
<1> worked brilliantly, actually produced better output than the real ribbon
<1> course, I had to print a page at a time...
<2> i had a lansman office sized 9-pin that printed all of the hym books and prayer manuals and kids lessons for my ex's church. noisy sob funning 24/7 for weeks
<2> s/funn/runn/
<1> surely you only printed one copy, and photocopied the rest :P
<2> Liandrin: of course she didn't
<2> 50 coppies of everything
<0> "paging" / "swap" file = "virtual memory"
<2> Liandrin: 2
<2> and ribbons were cheaper than cartridges
<0> Burroughs had a fully solid-state (transistorized) mainframe computer back in 1962 that fully supported virtual memory.
<2> she started taking things to a copy machine when i moved to inkjet
<0> (of course, back in 1962, the cutting-edge memory was torroidal, donut ferrite-core based memory -- about the size of 3 paperback novels -- for a whopping 64 KB of memory)
<5> ... giving a whole new meaning to "dump core".
<0> whereby a "0" was designated by a counter-clockwise magnetic field vector, and a "1", clockwise - 2 very thin wires looped through the "donut" -- plus, another signal "sense" wire)
<2> LSzilard: physical anoligy to current technology ?
<0> and now, here we are, with a brand new magentoresistive-based memory, that is 2-3 times faster than the fastest DDR2 dual channel memory, running at 533 Mhz
<0> whitecap: magneto-resistive memory is essentially the same, I think. A company called "Freescale" has just announced this magnetic-based memory.
<5> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core_memory
<5> Apparently they actually employed garment workers with microscopes to thread the things.
<0> whitecap: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6092242.html?tag=nl.e589
<0> zetawoof: makes sense to me.
<0> whitecap: another benefit, of course, is that this new magneto-resistive magnetic memory is non-volatile -- you can shut off the PC, and the system memory will hold the present working set.
<0> (the same state of the PC, before you turned it off)
<2> hmmm
<0> er......."and the system memory will hold the *previous* working set", even.
<0> whitecap: plus, it's at least twice as fast as DDR2 dual channel 533 MHz memory.
<2> LSzilard: $$$ ?
<0> whitecap: it's available, now. Of course, it's going to be as expensive as DDR PC1600 memory was, back around Feb. 2001.
<2> heh
<2> i'll wait a couple of years
<0> whitecap: well, DDR PC1600 memory cost about $259 USD for a 256 MB stick. About a dollar USD per megabyte.
<0> then, if you remember, PC2100 DDR came out -- and was a MUCH better technology -- far less buggy.
<0> around 3rd Q 2001.
<0> 2.1 GB/sec.
<0> (supposedly)
<0> Sony PlayStation 2's somehow have *DDR3* memory, but I don't get it.
<0> how does it work?
<0> you have only 2 edges on the TTY signal -- the rising, and the falling edge
<0> what else is there?
<0> the "2" in "DDR2" refers to the rising and falling edge -- what "3" is there?
<0> er......."TTL" signal, even.
<0> jeeeeezus.
<0> "transistor-transistor logic"
<6> StarkiD iS BAck
<1> he doesn't seem to get the hint, does he?
<6> any one around?
<7> no
<2> didn't spam color anyway
<1> that's at least the second time I've seen it enter that way
<2> heh
<8> LSzilard: the 3 is a power of two relation as the 2 was and the 1 (not printed) for the size of the prefetch buffer.
<6> i m installing external usb modem
<6> KERNEL_DIR=/path/to/linux
<2> suicide
<6> didnt got this part
<6> what to do
<2> aww
<6> :)
<6> any one >??
<1> times like these I miss having a captive IRCop
<2> where is your kernel source installed ?
<6> dont know its my second day using fc4
<2> Liandrin: yes
<6> whitecap: how to get the path of source?
<2> StarkiD: then get to the fedora docs, find out how to update to fc5 and install the kernel sources
<6> why fc5?
<2> fedora uses rpm which has a fine manpage on how to install an find out what is installed. there is yum also
<2> it is the current stable fedora
<6> i need modem installed for it
<2> aww
<9> morning
<2> you don't need a modem for the manpage
<2> if you do, then your on the internet now and there is online manpages at ldp.org
<6> what actually i shud do for this KERNEL_DIR=/path/to/linux
<2> s/our/our'e
<6> ldp.org or tldp.org?
<5> tldp.org, yes
<2> which works ?
<2> evidently you asked before
<6> i dont have rpm on my system..i need to install it?
<5> StarkiD: yes you do.
<2> starting to smell real trollish
<0> which is really better, overall: Druid, or FDISK, for laying out file systems and mountpoints?
<0> if you *had* to choose
<2> LSzilard: fdisk and nano fstab
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