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<0> You sure the shortage is not being caused by increased adoption of this language? http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/
<1> sjh: that's a minor contributor
<2> so whitespace would be the official language too
<1> Liandrin: er, my what is missing?
<1> please join the society and swear to use only perl without indentation from now on
<0> OM, and perl withoout excessive EOL characters, keep your code dense, 80 columns wide per line of code right down the page
<3> OM, whitespace
<1> yeah, don't waste lines by just putting one { or } on them. put at least 12 statements on each line.
<4> Why?
<2> bah no cdlf at all
<1> crlf?
<2> uh yeah... explains why people hate reading my code
<3> zetawoof, because I was wondering if that was you, or if there was yet another one
<5> cdlf: carriage destroy, line feed. Only useful for the line line you plan to print, *ever*. :-)
<3> Benoni, Epson inkjets are known to do that -without- provocation :P
<2> save a ton of paper printing. one line per page
<1> you print out code?
<1> can't remember the last time i printed a program out
<0> OM, of course the only safe place for backups is a paper storage silo in the desert dont'y'know
<1> hehheh
<2> of course if you are cheating you just print one black line and save tons of ink and time
<5> Oops, my IRC client exploded. I hate when that happens. Did someone say something to me right before I disconnected? (There was a "beep" as though for a direct mesage, and then it all went kablooie.)
<1> what if there's a flood?
<4> then it isn't a desert anymore.
<1> ping flood in the desert
<2> water soluble ink. saves on the secrets act too
<5> Now that's really starting to get annoying. Grrr.
<6> OldMonk: bah, then you need to use SPL if you want to write code like that.
<4> Guess not.
<5> zetawoof: No, I think it's got something to do with popup menus.
<1> vIkSiT
<7> Heh. The local news channel tells us that most trailer homes don't have smoke detectors... ...and that's sad, since they're the most flamable structures shy of a gas station, and usually next to one.
<5> Yikes. That's both very funny and very not funny.
<7> *nod*
<7> The incident that spawned their discussion was where a local trailer caught on fire, and the mother left the home to get water to put the fire out before getting her children out.
<5> This may sound cold, but I'm not sure those are genes that ought to be p***ed on.
<7> Well... Her brother lived next door, and she woke him up. He jumped through a window and got the older of the 2 daughters, but not the 6 month old. :/
<7> Either way... smoke detectors are relatively cheap... That's a shame.
<5> Yeah.
<7> Either way... Back to trying to configure omnibot and etpub, without a sample config.
<8> hey, any quake1 players in here?
<7> There were in 1996, I think.
<9> well, i played quake 1 up until about 98
<9> i'm horrible now, though. i had a game in DM4 a few months back and got pwned, so to speak.
<7> I didn't. I played Doom instead, since it would run on my 486.
<7> However, now I'm addicted to RTCW:ET.
<7> I expect Quake Wars to be pretty cool, however, it's not free so I can't run it on game night.
<7> (Game night is where we have a computer lab on campus that we turn into Stadt's meat grinder)
<1> ksh
<10> OldMonk
<10> 'sup?
<1> temperature
<11> hehe, wuss. that's what the spicy food and hot women are for
<10> Is that good?
<1> no man, i got the fever
<10> heya whitecap
<11> OldMonk: gah, sorry to hear that
<10> OldMonk: Eak...****
<7> Uh.
<7> Oh. I saw 'Eat...****'.
<11> OldMonk: see above and add alcohol for my remedy
<7> *nod* Alcohol, honey, and uh... I forget the rest.
<7> Orange juice.
<1> yeah, hitting the hiney and ginger :)
<12> i was asked a rather odd question today, during a phone screen interview for a Unix admin position - the guy asked me: "what would you do if you inadvertently deleted or removed a file?"
<12> i said: "i would restore from backups"
<1> what else?
<11> OldMonk: i bet that special drink they sell would make you feel a whole lot better =-)
<10> makes sense
<12> i mean, what was he *really* looking for?
<12> as far as a real guru answer?
<1> LSzilard: restore from backup
<7> LSzilard: We asked what a lady would do if she logged into a computer that she found to be comprimized with an account in the Domain Admins group... She said disable the domain controller.
<10> What else you gonna tell him?
<1> LSzilard: or go to persiankitty.com and download it again.
<12> heheh
<7> ...and I asked if we had enough pitchfork wax.
<12> OldMonk: he also asked me: "what is an inode"? I said "an inode is like a pointer to a file, or a directory, or a mount point, contained in the inode table"
<1> an inode contains metadata about files
<4> LSzilard: but yeah, that's probably accurate enough - anything much more specific depends on the filesystem.
<11> dict inode has a good explanation
<3> yay, pictures of my new-old violin!
<7> Wintermute: We have a Sun UltraEnterprize 6500 named after you!
<13> really?
<7> Yes sir.
<7> Except it has an S, not a Z.
<4> Best easily found definition: "inode: A data structure holding information about files in a Unix file system. There is an inode for each file and a file is uniquely identified by the file system on which it resides and its inode number on that system."
<13> hah cool
<13> CancerMan: whats she run? some form of unix i'd imagine right
<7> *nod* Let me czech.
<7> SunOS 5.9.
<7> Either way, not my box.
<13> cool hehe
<7> I name my official servers stuffs like "engrsvmx" and "engrsvca"... My unofficial UNIX hardware sports the names Yavin, Endor, Bespin, Dagobah, and Tattoine.
<7> Oh, and my home linux box... Hoth.
<13> hhaha awesome
<13> i don't have any fancy name for my box
<13> its just localhost
<12> anyway - my 'puter decided to reboot itself -
<12> OldMonk: he also asked me: "what is an inode"? I said "an inode is like a pointer to a file, or a directory, or a mount point, contained in the inode table"
<7> Heh. Well, we have many machines. A naming scheme is important. You can have a running theme for your own entertainment, but you tell a potential intelligent virtually nothing about what the machine does.
<14> My Mini is called "Couch Potato" because its my DVR/Desktop and my Powerbook is the "Delta Flyer"
<1> LSzilard: you already said that
<12> OldMonk: and that was just before my computer flaked out -
<7> Heh. I try not to name Macs.
<13> CancerMan: do any programming?
<12> OldMonk: in your opinion, would that have been an acceptable answer during a Unix admin phone screen?
<7> Although I do have my 'conversation peice' Mac SE... It runs zoomsave. :D
<12> OldMonk: for an interview, that is
<1> LSzilard: not enough
<7> Wintermute: Well... Depends<tm> on your definition of programming.
<1> not for me anyway... i'd have asked for elaboration
<14> Hah
<12> OldMonk: he let it slide - i could kind of tell that he wanted more, i think
<14> My Dell 4100 was named Wintermute
<7> In C? No. php? Sure. VB, ASP, ADSI? Yes.
<13> CancerMan: heh cool
<7> You?
<13> i do C, C++, C#, Java and x86 ***embler
<12> OldMonk: i probably should have gone into block sizing info for the files / directories / mount point info -- contained in the superblock
<7> Wow. X86 ASM.
<12> OldMonk: how would you have answered?
<7> Although C is much more usefull.
<12> "useful"
<1> LSzilard: talked about inode tables, direct, first, second and third indirect blocks, size, permissions, ACLs, owner/group, etc
<12> yup
<4> OldMonk: ah, but do note that indirect blocks only really apply to FFS and some derivatives.
<7> LSzil: Heh. Sorry.
<1> FFS?
<12> at that point, i probably would've had to get into an in-depth discussion about cylinders, sectors and blocks on a disk
<4> OldMonk: Fast File System - old *BSD FS.
<4> OldMonk: also known as UFS.
<13> CancerMan: indeed but it does have it usfulness
<12> i was surprised that he didn't ask me to compare & contrast j2fs and the Andrew file system, or some weird schtuff
<4> LSzilard: well, that's easy... AFS is a network file system, J2FS isn't. Done. :)
<12> as a matter of fact, from looking at "http://www.bellevuelinux.org/inode.html";, i would say that in the most general (and therefore, less precise, but good enough for U.S. Gov't work) sense, an "inode" is, in fact, like a pointer to a file, or a directory, or a mount point --
<12> OldMonk: ...and this was the phone-screen interviewer's last question: "what would you do if a process became detached, after you logged off, and you wanted to get it back?" I said, "well, if it was zombied, good luck.....you could try to 'fg it' (foreground it) or nice it."
<1> you can't fg from a different shell
<12> OldMonk: (***uming that you came back in from the same shell)
<1> if it's detached you can't get it back, unless it's in a screen or something
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