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<0> syn-ack: sure it does, if you include the right repositories
<1> function1: yeah, thats usually an indication of a mis-encoded mp3
<1> whitecap: um Im using a liveCD, remember?
<2> i dont think so.
<2> because when i actually play the song, the time changes to the correct time
<1> function1: Yeah, well you dont seem to be too bright then
<0> syn-ack: too bad for you. does it have flac ?
<3> by the way, 0 to the 12th power = 1.
<4> re all
<4> LSzilard: no, 12 to the 0th power is 1.
<1> function1: um header info, tard
<3> Cynic: oops. right.
<4> syn-ack-trucker-san
<4> LSzilard: ;)
<1> Cynic.
<0> 0 to any power is 0 iirc
<2> these are good mp3s
<2> .
<1> function1: apparently not.
<2> but they are.
<3> Cynic: what I don't get is why 0 factorial equals 1. Shouldn't 0 factorial equal +/- infinity?
<1> But they arent and Im done with this converstation
<0> then file a bugreport with the coders of smms
<0> xmms even
<3> Cynic: plus or minus infinity
<0> Cynic: rootbeer or pepsi is all thats left.
<3> Cynic: or even zero, for that matter.
<2> one of these is even a 'scene release'
<3> Cynic: why does 0! = 1?
<5> LSzilard: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_function
<4> http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57128.html
<3> n! = n x (n-1) x (n-2) x (n- x....) x (n- x+1)....
<6> oh god
<7> :P
<6> not maths again! i left it behind 3 years ago i thought!
<6> it found me!
<1> this is what computer geeks do in their spare time dont you know..
<4> it's defined to make the rules work, rather than following the rules themselves
<3> Cynic: I hate when that happens.
<2> syn-ack: my rudeness aside, please explain why the song length would be preloaded incorrectly in the playlist, but then changed in the playlist when the song is actually played; i'm underinformed.
<3> Cynic: it's so ad hoc & lazy
<5> function1: VBR.
<3> Cynic: so it's an "identity"
<1> zetawoof: THat or a mis-encoded header
<5> syn-ack: VBR + incorrect Xing header = miscalculated length
<2> well ive never had this problem with any other media player..
<1> zetawoof: common happening if you "aquire" your mp3s from the net. :/
<3> Cynic: it gets back to Bishop Berkley's criticism of Newton's and Leibniz' "summation of infinitesmals".
<2> well, is there anyway i can fix this on the software side
<1> yeah, zetawoof, I know that, but Ive seen ****ed up xing header without it being a vbr file too.
<4> LSzilard: as that url quotes, (x^3)(x^5) = x^8, so (x^2)(x^0) needs to equal x^2, therefore x^0 needs to equal 1.
<1> function1: re-encode the mp3.
<3> wow...the graphical representation of the real part of the Gamma function results in a fractal image.
<2> well, i'm not sure of anything i did wrong earlier
<2> used latest lame, basic vbr settings
<1> ah, then its just because its a vbr mp3. Just use a fix br
<2> so, xmms will never read a vbr correctly?
<2> thats silly, i want to use vbr.
<1> function1: it was encoded wrong. You may not have done anything wrong, it could just the algorythem in the latest lame
<1> Why wont people learn that there is no "final" in FLOSS software. Sigh
<2> you mean 'final' version?
<3> oh boy.
<1> function1: shoot yourself. Now.
<2> yes, i am rather new.
<2> syn-ack: you are a real jerk.
<1> function1: which means you have to be ignorant, right as well as trying to bust my balls for your being new?
<3> i totally disagree with this: "You cannot reason that x^0 = 1 by thinking of the meaning of powers as "repeated multiplications" because you cannot multiply x zero times." Who says? Suppose x=2. I then multiply 2, zero times (multiply 2 times *WHAT*, a zero number of times?) Does not 2 remain, no matter what?
<1> function1: Why, thank you. I try my best.
<2> if you dont want to help me (and you are surely not required to), then dont say anything
<1> function1: who in the hell said this was "help" channel?
<2> i didnt.
<1> You most certainly did.
<2> i asked for help, i didnt say this was a help-only channel.
<1> LSzilard: silly, 2 * 0 is 0. :p
<6> function1: you've been given some advice already -- to go back and encode it again with more care, whether you knew you were wrong or not
<6> function1: go take the advice :P
<2> thanks.
<3> syn-ack: not " * 0", but 2 multiplied by (some number), a zero number of times.
<1> LSzilard: I know, just just busting you up some. Dont you just love calc? ;)
<3> syn-ack: it's really simple arithmetic
<1> mmm, magnetic based RAM. ***y
<1> LSzilard: once you get over the thought of multiply a zero number of times...
<3> syn-ack: by the way, i discovered a very large number (i've already published it - it's rather trivial) - i call it a "googol multiplex" - it is simply n to the n n's power, where n = a googolplex.
<3> syn-ack: think of it this way... raising a googolplex to the power of a googolplex, a googolplex number of times.
<3> that's what my "googol multiplex" is.
<3> (as i said, it's trivial)
<1> aye
<3> but what would *not* be so trivial is finding out how fast it would take for a quantum computer to arrive at the prime factorization of my "googol multiplex".
<8> what is dns query cl***?
<5> dweller: DNS query cl*** is held in #dnshelp at 8 AM, Wednesdays and Fridays.
<1> hahahaha
<8> hehe
<8> didnt see that coming
<3> syn-ack: it is estimated that it would take all of the world's computers more than 10 trillion years to arrive at the prime factorization of even such a small number as 10^52 power. Supposedly, there are theoretical proofs that an optimized "quantum computer" could do it in a matter of weeks.
<1> hrm
<5> I can factorize 10^52 easily.
<3> er...."even such a *relatively small number*"
<5> 2^52 * 5^52
<3> prime factorization
<5> easy.
<5> who says you need quantum computers? ;)
<8> zetawoof, shye i bet you could write a 20 lines perl script that'd do it in a week
<8> :)
<8> now seriously, anyone here knows the differences between dns query cl***es?
<3> http://www.gomath.com/htdocs/lesson/prime_lesson2.htm
<8> LSzilard, you into math, arent you
<8> are you a Dr?
<3> dweller: no
<5> dweller: like what - A vs. AAAA vs. PTR vs. TXT? Or what.
<8> nope
<1> dweller: try google, I found it in one hit
<1> http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~jphb/comms/dns.html
<8> CH ,CHAOSNET
<1> imagine, that.
<8> HR
<8> syn-ack, the site you pointed out contains only one line about query cl***,
<8> and its already a line i know.
<8> its not query TYPES I'm talking about here.
<8> oh well
<8> i thought someone would draw it out of a sleeve.
<8> i'll go google for it myself *sigh*
<9> dweller: You mean the different sorts of Resource Records?
<5> dweller: Query cl***es are almost always INET.
<8> I know that zetawoof
<8> I just wanted to know more about the rest'a them
<9> dweller: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/rr.html
<9> or just pick any random rfc describing dns ;)
<5> dweller: There's also CSNET, CHAOS, and HESIOD defined, but they're all archaic.
<5> I believe it has to do with the network that the protocol's being used on.
<3> i guess I have to spell it out: "prime factorization" = "integer primes decomposition". Not so trivial.
<8> Coma, thanks, but these are query *types*
<8> not query cl***es
<8> thanks zetawoof
<9> Oh wait
<8> seriously?
<5> yeah - it's not all that complex a protocol
<8> yep i know
<8> but still
<8> which sniffer was it ?
<8> anything well known?
<5> nope
<5> it was a custom one I was working on
<5> never went anywhere, but *eh*
<9> dweller: See rfc 2929
<5> http://pastebin.ca/84704 <-- the analysis module in question
<8> thanks Coma ! thats what i was looking for
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