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<0> samuel_: you can usually make a boot start floppy to install from the cd - look for a raw image on the cd on another machine
<1> I just need to run NetBSD and be done with it. heh.
<2> No I have to make abosolutely sure everything is X86 or fat code and yes rosetta is slow it's an emulator doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand yes it's going to be slow.
<3> wow... Itanium was originally supoosed to be a desktop chip by 1999
<4> Lion-O, the problem is that I want to hack the root p***word (I lost it) ...and I only know to do it with Knoppix.
<1> Tamahome: .. really? ;)
<3> ohhh you mean on X86 Macs... yes you're right, Rosetta is ***
<2> Yah
<0> samuel_: look for "toms root boot" on the net. its a floppy, and is designed for jobs like that
<1> Tamahome: refresh my DRAM, but doesn't Intel have yet to put out a "desktop" 64b chip?
<2> PPCs apps on an X86 box feel like a rev a imac.
<5> samuel_: hmm. you should be able to use a boot floppy too. Most can drop you to a shell from which you can mount your root filesystem and edit p***wd.
<4> Thanks :-)
<1> Tamahome: all the P4s, the Core *, etc.
<1> Tamahome: Still all 32b.
<5> samuel_: http://www.toms.net/rb/ (iirc)
<3> and if I'm like many Mac users and run say... Photoshop, *THAT* runs in Rosetta
<2> BTW for an emulator thats fantasticly fast.
<6> reality: This site doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for at all... this details how to install systems in an unattended manner
<4> Thanks a lot !!!
<2> I won this didn't buy it.
<5> amazing. I got it right first time.
<1> Tamahome: Shouldn't take that much effort to port it over. Presumable some filters are coded in ***embler?
<1> Tamahome: Which won't be a problem, as you can just borrow from the Wintel version :)
<3> erm...actually there are large chunks of PS in PPC ASM
<3> and code that ***umes Motorola byte order
<1> Tamahome: Right, so you can just borrow from the Windows version
<2> yah the vchange was unnesscary I think cost was the real reason.
<3> Eric: not the same APIs
<1> Tamahome: Oh well, keep the folks at Adobe busy.
<3> well that's my point, right now it's *really stupid* to buy a PPC Mac
<2> BTW my tests core duo vs a single G5 only yeald a 1.3x increase in average speed though integer operations are 2x faster.
<3> s/PPC/X86/
<3> sorry... tired
<7> Tamahome: s/X86// :P
<1> Kagura: which is faster?
<3> oooo Mortal Kombat will be on Wii... yay!
<3> another reason to preorder
<1> Tamahome: Man it's so easy to make fun of that name
<1> WHEEEEE! I'm HAVING FUN on my WII!
<3> yes, I'm not sure what that whole thing is about
<2> Core for core PPC the dcore duo was 1.3x faster thena single g5 that hada slightly slower memory bus.
<8> I'm gonna go weee on a wii
<1> Ohmygodijustgotthisnewconsoleandimlike WIIIIIII!
<2> I so want to see linux on the xbox 360.
<8> hehe
<3> I don't
<3> as if NetBSD on the Dreamcast wasn't wierd enough
<8> Linux on the Xbox1 is great.
<1> that's more proof of concept
<3> NetBSD runs on my toaster.
<2> XBMC might be a difficult port as you can't simply used pieces of XP and 2K like the first Xbox.
<3> </sarcasm>
<1> Tamahome: Problem is you see NetBSD running on this older, low-end hardware..
<8> Someone lend me $519 until the 1st of next month :)
<1> Tamahome: You think it doesn't do a damned on new hardware. Not so.
<9> how do i connect to my other computer with SSH? i know the local address but the connection times out
<10> Falchion: Do you know what usury is?
<8> Kagura: I'm friends with the people who made XBMP so I'm well aware of what's entailed.
<1> reality: is that when a bear loans you money at really high interest rates?
<1> reality: oh sorry that's an ursury
<1> s/an //
<8> reality: :) heh
<11> oh. kay.
<10> Nanuq: shhhhhhhh
<2> Yah the OS is pretty much the unreleased NT5 PPC right?
<1> reality: sorry :)
<3> I used to have NT4 PPC install disks
<11> Kagura: thats a hell of a leap there
<8> local paycheck advance place charges $20 for every $100. Screw that. heh I just don't want to wait for my camera :/
<3> a product that never shipped
<10> Are you folks talking about frontends for mythtv for windows?
<8> reality: nope.
<2> NT 4 had a PPC version I have an Nt4 sever cd set and ran it on an IBM rs6000.
<11> at the first linuxword expo i had NT 4.0 workstation cds we put in the urinals.
<1> Tamahome: I have a mag that predicts we'll all have NT/PPC boxen on our desks by 1993
<11> people really enjoyed that
<10> Because I was going to say that's in the process right now
<1> Tamahome: I believe Acer was the ones with the hardware.. MIPS R3000
<1> er
<1> sorry
<1> NT/MIPS
<3> yeah there was a MIPS version as well
<2> China is still developing mips cpus.
<3> but M$ didn't want to support it, and neither did the hardware vendor
<11> Kagura: yes, they're so silly.
<11> rook at dragon processor we beat westerners with
<1> PA-RISC was nice
<2> maybe not they want their own domesticaly produced cpu.
<10> lesterners
<3> except you had to run HP/SUX on it
<1> Tamahome: perfect example of MHz not meaning ****
<8> Someone lend me $519 and when I get to test the camera out on heather, you get pics. hehe Geezus I'm bored.
<1> Tamahome: with Alpha at the other end of the spectrum
<3> ahahahahah... "IA32: pushing elephants up steep hills"
<3> I love that metaphor
<10> Falchion: TitleMax
<2> Heck it hard to even compair modern computers anymore.
<1> Tamahome: wherefrom?
<8> reality: heh **** that :)
<1> Kagura: Or even spell properly.
<3> this Standford presentation I'm watching
<7> Tamahome: what Nanuq said
<7> nice
<3> Stanford, even
<2> IA32 needs to be laid to rest.
<3> yes, yes it does
<1> It's not going away any time soon.
<3> but sadly, Itanium is not the replacement :|
<3> neither is X86-64
<12> err, no.
<2> X86-64 made it out of date.
<10> The guy who bought my old condo owns TitleMax
<10> Rich mofo
<12> hell, if that were to be nuked, then every machine pre-2005 would go.
<8> reality: I'll bet he is
<10> He paid $27,000 over market value
<10> Just because he wanted to be by the golf course
<2> One thing on PPC it has a cleaner trnasistion from 32 to 64 bits then X86 does.
<3> I just want a desktop machine that has a ****load of registers
<1> Tamahome: because?
<2> I own both a g5 and an AMD 64 box and the G5 gives me less trouble.
<3> that's where the speed comes from
<3> registers == RAM running at the same speed as the CPU
<1> Tamahome: Hard to agree when you look at what actually exists out ther ein the market.
<3> dude, this is why PPC ran rings around equivalent clock X86 for so long
<2> For sever apps yes they really help thats why spracs rule in sever apps.
<1> Tamahome: Yeah, but Motorola and IBM are ****in' the dog on new chips.
<7> Tamahome: also why the 68k amiga's kicked PCs ***es for a while, despite inferior clockspeeds
<1> Tamahome: So it makes sense that Jobs would look elsewhere, especially considering how portable OS X is.
<3> Motorola just doesn't care anymore... they clean up in the embedded space
<2> Though the PPC 750 did have a weak fpu but so those yohna.
<3> IBM is too slow for Steve Jobs, but then, everyone is too slow for Steve Jobs
<1> Tamahome: Well I'm no Mac fanatic, but I think he made a smart move.
<1> Tamahome: IMO.
<3> I just find it ironic that the fastest computer in the world has POWER cores.
<2> Jobs will likely get impatiant with intel next or upset if they give the good stuff to dell first.
<3> (PPC's big brother)
<2> I think he'll likely get upset on chipset supply and features.
<2> One issue with the PA semi option the 1682 had an onboard PCI-e controller,ddr2 memory controller 2x,and two gigabit ethernet NICs. adda graphics chip,some ram and wireless you havea notebook motherboard.
<1> Kagura: That sounds right.
<1> Kagura: especially something like GMA*
<2> I'd use a radeon mobile.
<1> Kagura: consider Apple's constant fish floppin' between ATI and Nvidia
<3> and now ATI is AMD
<2> yah and the fact the new mini ****s can't even play h.264 with out dropping frames.
<1> Tamahome: pisser that
<2> it's not the cpus fault it's the GMA 900s fault.
<1> Kagura: I heard it can do 1080 h264 no problem
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