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<0> Cynic: come on, paint it less ugly ;o)
<1> Evii: i'll make the coffee... one gerbil or two?
<2> Cynic: A good reason I kinda keep quiet :)
<1> waznz: we're a fairly small operation, haven't opened the datacentre to the general public yet
<1> i'll be choosing our customers VERY carefully
<0> Cynic: I think they will be careful to choose you if prices are that nz prices :oP
<3> based on whether they're female and what they look like? :P
<1> but i think hosting is going to become the new bread and butter once dialup is well and truly gone in nz
<1> nooneelse: no, i'll be picking the ****ers who don't know where else to go ;)
<1> (for small ISPs that is)
<0> Cynic: if you have any log print and censure sitook.com and all other providers we named :oP
<2> Cynic: Get the ones who keep quiet. Just make sure their websites are running, and life will be bliss.
<1> waznz: *nod*
<2> Avoiding mail server issues, backups, DoS attacks, spam ...
<1> that's for hosting, i was talking more about colocation
<1> oh i avoid those issues every day
<1> mainly by ignoring them
<0> heh
<2> Cynic: I need to earn a living whilst I get my **** sorted ...so I get to deal with that stuff.
<1> heh
<0> one thing that is good at this provider is that if you get a VirtualServer, they provide you email accounts so you dont need to play with MX, mailserver and so
<4> Evii: Aye. My main complaint about perl is just that, the large potential for unmaintainable code. I have nothing against perl used for dirty hacks and similar which typically aren't maintained anyway, but I find it a poor choice of language for code you would expect to end up maintaining.
<4> Evii: I dont' know enough about modern perl to be able to argue it's technical merrits, so I'll just ***ume that those are great. I've just maintained too much ugly code in horrible languages to want to contribute to the problem ;)
<1> wlfshmn: *cough* Spam******in *cough* ? ;)
<4> Cynic: I use spam******in, but I've never considered looking under the hood ;)
<5> pewf
<5> hey wlf, re Qim
<1> wlfshmn: don't. ;P
<1> re Eriq
<4> what the heck is prorated bandwidth?
<1> wlfshmn: you looking at your bill?
<0> wlfshmn: I think it refers to monthly bandwidth, calculated on per-proportional basis on days spent and days remaining in a month
<0> if on 15 April you spent 100Gb of bandwidth, prorated will tell you 200Gb monthly
<1> ok, time for smoke and more poker! *gone*
<0> and if you pay per-gig then you better change timezone, country, shave and change name ;o)
<4> nooneelse: ah, you mean, say if you had a 30GB/month traffic cap, what they really might means is you have 1GB/day traffic, and if you use t2GB that day, even if you are under 30 at the end of month, you have used an extra gig?
<4> nooneelse: that is some rather sneaky tactics ;)
<4> unfortunatley, I have not found as ingle domestic webhost that hosts a modern version of java
<0> wlfshmn: nah, it's always the monthly calc that worths, but prorated mayhelp you to understand when it's better to run away :oP
<4> nooneelse: ah, ok ;)
<0> wlfshmn: ask sitook.com, admin@ is always there LoL ... anyway dunno, AFAIK they'll support all-free-stuff and I dunno what are licences about java
<4> nooneelse: my domestic isn't the same as your domestic ;)
<0> wlfshmn: so get whole the thing there or elsewhere out :oP
<4> nooneelse: Italian?
<0> wlfshmn: yup but admin@ answers even german, introduced them to a friend :oP
<4> nooneelse: I do prefere to stick with providers where I speak the language ;)
<4> if push comes to show, I guess I'll have to convince my father that his buisness needs a box hosted at fredk's site or something ;)
<0> fredk ?
<4> nooneelse: channel regular, hosts stuff in .no IIRC
<0> how are .no prices?
<4> nooneelse: no idea, but typically non-cheap ;)
<6> wlfshmn: Ugly is fun, afterall. :)
<4> actually, I just stumbled upon a provider that seems to host what I want
<0> wlfshmn: tell what is pls, i'll check it out too
<4> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6059293.html?tag=nl.e589
<4> nooneelse: rimihosting.com
<4> err, rimuhosting.com
<0> ddudes I'll go out for a while
<0> byebye
<7> java is not funny :(
<8> hi *
<2> hey mod-
<8> hi waznz
<9> Evii: *poik*
<9> wlfshmn: hey
<10> I'm gonna answer this customer: "Dear customer, Please hit yourself with a stick. That's what I'd do if I was there with you."
<4> cyberpunk: not funny?
<7> wlfshmn: what?
<7> what have I done?
<4> (11:54) < cyberpunk> java is not funny :(
<7> in the past I got much problems with java...
<11> I am running fluxbox on ubuntu Hoary, and I'm trying to find out where the fluxbox command is run from. It wasn't my .xinitrc or .xsession, or anything relating to /etc/gdm, does anyone have any ideas? thanks
<8> palcoy: did you choose it from the gdm menu?
<7> especially with 'import java.awt.*' and so on...
<8> people still use AWT these days?
<11> it is my default when i log on from gdm, so yes i think so
<7> mod-: no, I said "..in the past"
<8> cyberpunk: so you'd probably feel better with it in the present :^)
<7> my english is ****ed up these days :(
<8> palcoy: have a look at ~/.dmrc
<11> okay, thanks:{ [Desktop]\n Session=fluxbox }. I'm guessing that something calls `$Session`? nothing gets executed in my .dmrc
<8> palcoy: probably gdm has session scripts somewhere with such names, but that's the idea yeah
<8> palcoy: hm, on this Fedora system, these things seem to be chosen at /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession
<12> hi ....somone knows a console based client for edonkey??
<8> vernom: mldonkey?
<12> mldoneky is a console like client? ?
<11> hmm, i dont even seem to have xdm; and nothing within /etc/X11/gdm/ greps with "fluxbox" (or $Session)
<11> okay, still no luck; the reason i want to find out where fluxbox execs from is that my .fluxbox/startup script never gets run. I want to be able to auto-run things like xbindkeys, syndaemon, unclutter etc. the last line on .fluxbox/startup is: exec /usr/bin/fluxbox .??? i'm going crazy
<13> palcoy: time to go 'man rpm' and check the contents of the fluxbox package.
<13> aaah, this is good. nothing like a meal salad for brunch
<14> what is a meal salad
<13> Sarah-: a salad which is enough to go for a whole meal :)
<13> Only things I added myself for taste and such are a tomatoe and a boiled egg 8)
<14> salad is kind of boring
<13> well, this one is good. Has good stuff in it, cheese, crotons, letace, paprika (or whatever it is in English). Good filled up
<14> oh those cruton things are awesome
<14> i remember having them with soup once
<13> aye.. Its good, so every once in a while we have salad for brunch. Compensates nicely with a "broodje gezond' :)
<13> that being a sandwich wich this stuff on it 8)
<1> nearly time for a midnight snack
<2> night all.
<13> Cynic: hehe
<1> Lion-O: my tournament is on break for 5 minutes so i think i'll have to take it half an hour early *runs off to find food*
<11> okay, very nasty but.. I moved the fluxbox binary, and symlinked to my startup script. i know i should be proud of thinking outside the box and solving my problem, but i cant help but feel dirty :(
<13> Cynic: w00
<1> Lion-O: not as good as what you were describing :/ but sufficient for late night munchies :P
<13> Cynic: be glad, this meal is suppose to last me the entire day, I don't think it would make a good night snack 8)
<1> heh
<15> hi guys
<1> hey tavi-san
<13> ofcourse you wouldn't have to eat it all I suppose, but that'd be a waste 8)
<13> Eya tavi
<15> hi Cynic, Lion-O :)
<1> i hate easter eggs that aren't mine
<1> what ****ing good are they?!
<15> hiya steve
<0> damn hungry too
<0> still working thu !
<13> oooh, so Cynic is been stealing the eggs
<13> time for the western egg investigation and interrogation
<15> it's time to cut Cynic's hair off his eggs
<15> hrm, that didnt quite get out right...
<13> this I SO don't want to see :P
<8> pmitros: EOFs? hm, that's weird
<8> pmitros: with stdio functions i ***ume?
<16> jgaddis: how'd the install go
<17> Anyone here do webhosting?
<18> yes
<17> can i msg ya a sec?
<18> go ahead
<19> mod-: I fixed it by adding an idiot loop: while(feof(socket_fp)) ;
<19> mod-: Works fine now.
<20> Hmmm...I think I'll have a go at Xgl+Enlightenment today
<20> e17
<21> network w/dedicated server and sane network topology is now done :P
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